Just touch the plate for goodness sake

[Velho]

[grayhawk]

Funny. They go through the whole mess of making a "live ball" appeal and PU doesn't put the ball into play.

When you get the sense they are going to appeal, just ask them what they are doing and accept the verbal appeal. The ball became dead on the HR.

[maven]

Even umpires don't know how to do a live-ball appeal. 

[834k3r]

On 5/24/2024 at 7:39 AM, Velho said:

The article I read on the NY Post (here) about this video was ridiculous and basically blamed the umpires for enforcing the rule. 

So frustrating.

Edited May 28 by 834k3r
Removed comment about AD because it was not related to this situation.

[johnnyg08]

Just do the dead ball appeal for crying out loud.

[Velho]

28 minutes ago, 834k3r said:

The article I read on the NY Post (here) about this video was ridiculous and basically blamed the umpires for enforcing the rule. To make matters worse, the school AD published a letter subtly blaming the umpires for robbing the team of the home run.

So frustrating.

Am having the same conversation with my friends, one a coach the other a parent. The coach is frustrated at OP, as well as the O's IFF. I'm trying to guide him to understand his issue is with the rules* not the umps**.

* Assuming OP was a complete miss vs a likely miss (which I find plausible from watching the video) and will give PU benefit of the doubt

** F2 should have been watching for himself but PU gave this away with that dugout look.

[BLWizzRanger]

5 minutes ago, Velho said:

** F2 should have been watching for himself but PU gave this away with that dugout look.

Boy! I bet he doesn't even know he did that.

But this can't be NJ since the umps aren't wearing navy.  What about the taunting of the BR as he is mid-way down the TBL? Or his bat flip?  Both of those, at a minimum, has to be a warning, IMHO.

And why is U1 lollygagging near 1st if he sees his partner being run on?

[Richvee]

8 minutes ago, BLWizzRanger said:

But this can't be NJ since the umps aren't wearing navy

It’s NJ. Black is optional. Navy is default 

[Richvee]

33 minutes ago, Velho said:

* Assuming OP was a complete miss vs a likely miss (which I find plausible from watching the video) and will give PU benefit of the doubt

It was close. 

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

Just do the dead ball appeal for crying out loud.

Since the ball didn't get put in play it was a legal dead ball appeal assuming which runner was communicated.🙂

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

Just do the dead ball appeal for crying out loud.

Since the ball didn't get put in play it was a legal dead ball appeal assuming which runner was communicated.🙂

[johnnyg08]

45 minutes ago, Richvee said:

It was close. 

Yeah, but the bro high fives were better than the base he missed. 

[grayhawk]

3 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Since the ball didn't get put in play it was a legal dead ball appeal assuming which runner was communicated.🙂

True, just with a lot of unnecessary moving parts. 

[834k3r]

5 hours ago, BLWizzRanger said:

Boy! I bet he doesn't even know he did that.

But this can't be NJ since the umps aren't wearing navy.  What about the taunting of the BR as he is mid-way down the TBL? Or his bat flip?  Both of those, at a minimum, has to be a warning, IMHO.

And why is U1 lollygagging near 1st if he sees his partner being run on?

I'm laughing at the navy comment, but my reaction to the last question is decidedly 😡

[Kevin_K]

I had a nice conversation with the PU about what happened. 

6 hours ago, BLWizzRanger said:

And why is U1 lollygagging near 1st if he sees his partner being run on?

Like the rest of the country, NJ is sorely lacking umpires. His partner made a couple of really bad calls that had an impact on the game. Assigners in these parts are way more concerned with bodies on games than the right umpires on the right games. PU was not pleased with much of anything from his partner that day.

6 hours ago, 834k3r said:

The article I read on the NY Post (here) about this video was ridiculous and basically blamed the umpires for enforcing the rule. To make matters worse, the school AD published a letter subtly blaming the umpires for robbing the team of the home run.

So frustrating.

Please provide a link to that letter. I would love to read it.

6 hours ago, Velho said:

* Assuming OP was a complete miss vs a likely miss (which I find plausible from watching the video) and will give PU benefit of the doubt

** F2 should have been watching for himself but PU gave this away with that dugout look.

The miss was a no doubter. The kid jumped clear over HP. When he did, F2 looked right at the PU and they locked eyes for a split second. The kid knew that the PU saw everything so there was nothing to give away by looking at the dugout.

[grayhawk]

I had this happen in a JUCO game this year on a solo shot. No appeal. F2 wasn’t doing his job. 

[The Man in Blue]

7 hours ago, 834k3r said:

The article I read on the NY Post (here) about this video was ridiculous and basically blamed the umpires for enforcing the rule. To make matters worse, the school AD published a letter subtly blaming the umpires for robbing the team of the home run.

So frustrating.

Today was the last day of school for us, so let me say as a teacher, parent, umpire, and citizen of this country: I AM SO SICK OF THIS ATTITUDE.

[johnnyg08]

2 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Today was the last day of school for us, so let me say as a teacher, parent, umpire, and citizen of this country: I AM SO SICK OF THIS ATTITUDE.

Yep, the passive aggressive hip shots get old. 

[SeeingEyeDog]

2 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Today was the last day of school for us, so let me say as a teacher, parent, umpire, and citizen of this country: I AM SO SICK OF THIS ATTITUDE.

I hear this take A LOT across A LOT of different sports at A LOT of different levels...

This notion of "keeping their whistles in their pockets and letting the players decide"...so, if a guy has a clear look at the basket for the game winning shot, the referees should just let the defender crush the shooter to prevent the shot and the referee shouldn't call a foul because after all, the refs should just let the players decide the game? 

This notion that...Well, it's a HS baseball playoff game...that moment is TOO BIG to call an out on a runner for failing to touch the plate in that situation.

This notion that...X many penalties were called on this hockey team and X+3 penalties were called on the opposition and that somehow means the refs were not consistent with their judgements.

This notion that...the opening day game means less than the last game of the regular season because the team needs to win to qualify for the playoffs. Nope. Both games are worth the same. Had you won ANY other game PRIOR to the last game of the season, you would not need to win that game.

Respectfully, that AD should be fired. You either say nothing or...you take the high road. "Hey students and parents, wow...that was a tough way to lose a ballgame but, here's what happened and why the umpires made the call they did..." Again, or you say nothing. You do NOT blame the umpires under any circumstances in your capacity as a high school AD.

~Dawg

[Richvee]

3 hours ago, Kevin_K said:

Assigners in these parts are way more concerned with bodies  friends, political allies, and "squeaky wheels" on games than the right umpires on the right games.

FIFY

[johnnyg08]

9 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

I hear this take A LOT across A LOT of different sports at A LOT of different levels...

This notion of "keeping their whistles in their pockets and letting the players decide"...so, if a guy has a clear look at the basket for the game winning shot, the referees should just let the defender crush the shooter to prevent the shot and the referee shouldn't call a foul because after all, the refs should just let the players decide the game? 

This notion that...Well, it's a HS baseball playoff game...that moment is TOO BIG to call an out on a runner for failing to touch the plate in that situation.

This notion that...X many penalties were called on this hockey team and X+3 penalties were called on the opposition and that somehow means the refs were not consistent with their judgements.

This notion that...the opening day game means less than the last game of the regular season because the team needs to win to qualify for the playoffs. Nope. Both games are worth the same. Had you won ANY other game PRIOR to the last game of the season, you would not need to win that game.

Respectfully, that AD should be fired. You either say nothing or...you take the high road. "Hey students and parents, wow...that was a tough way to lose a ballgame but, here's what happened and why the umpires made the call they did..." Again, or you say nothing. You do NOT blame the umpires under any circumstances in your capacity as a high school AD.

~Dawg

It's an absolutely ridiculous take perpetuated by the announcers who these clowns consider credible. 

"You can't call that in that situation" One of the dumbest lines out there. Right up there with "They came to see you" UGH

[agdz59]

18 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Today was the last day of school for us, so let me say as a teacher, parent, umpire, and citizen of this country: I AM SO SICK OF THIS ATTITUDE.

Hey - if a person who has reached the highest civilian position in the country can blame everyone but himself, we all can.  Be prepared, its going to get worse.

[834k3r]

On 5/24/2024 at 4:16 PM, Kevin_K said:

Please provide a link to that letter. I would love to read it.

Hmm...the letter was linked on the NY Post article, but now I don't see any mention of the AD at all. Even a web search pulls up zero results. I know I read it--it had school letter head with a red bar across the top of the page.

Where did the letter go? Wonder if the AD realized he misspoke and retracted it? 

[stevis]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:17 PM, SeeingEyeDog said:

I hear this take A LOT across A LOT of different sports at A LOT of different levels...

This notion of "keeping their whistles in their pockets and letting the players decide"...so, if a guy has a clear look at the basket for the game winning shot, the referees should just let the defender crush the shooter to prevent the shot and the referee shouldn't call a foul because after all, the refs should just let the players decide the game? 

This notion that...Well, it's a HS baseball playoff game...that moment is TOO BIG to call an out on a runner for failing to touch the plate in that situation.

This notion that...X many penalties were called on this hockey team and X+3 penalties were called on the opposition and that somehow means the refs were not consistent with their judgements.

This notion that...the opening day game means less than the last game of the regular season because the team needs to win to qualify for the playoffs. Nope. Both games are worth the same. Had you won ANY other game PRIOR to the last game of the season, you would not need to win that game.

Respectfully, that AD should be fired. You either say nothing or...you take the high road. "Hey students and parents, wow...that was a tough way to lose a ballgame but, here's what happened and why the umpires made the call they did..." Again, or you say nothing. You do NOT blame the umpires under any circumstances in your capacity as a high school AD.

~Dawg

When you don't call the rules, swallow the whistle, whatever...you let the rulebreakers decide the game.

[Umpy]

I think a more important distinction here is that in order for an Umpire to enforce this rule the defense has to make an appeal.  The Umpire has been explicitly asked to enforce the rule, if you want to say its unsporting, shouldn't your ire be with the defense