R.C. Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 R1 steps back onto the base but his foot is on top of F4's foot which is on top of the base and no part of R1's foot is actually touching the base. Is he out when tagged or is he legally touching the base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 maven Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 "Electricity" ain't part of FED. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tog Gee Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Does F4 possess the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Guys, ...... it's "ask the umpire" ....... let's just 'answer' here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MadMax Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 8 hours ago, R.C. said: R1 steps back Okay. “R1” = Runner at/on 1B… yes? Or are you using the old, outdated NFHS nomenclature of “R1” = the lead runner on base, who in my purported scenario, is on/at, say, 2B? 8 hours ago, R.C. said: steps back onto the base but his foot is on top of F4's foot which is on top of the base Which base? Because if F4 is involved, then it’s likely 2B, and saying “step back on” means this is probably a pickoff attempt… 8 hours ago, R.C. said: Is he out when tagged or is he legally touching the base? @Tog Gee has a point… has the Runner been tagged? Does F4 have the ball? We can’t rule Out or Safe until we have a play… and that involves the ball… and some other ingredients. Hey, details matter. Recipe incomplete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 R.C. Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, MadMax said: Okay. “R1” = Runner at/on 1B… yes? Or are you using the old, outdated NFHS nomenclature of “R1” = the lead runner on base, who in my purported scenario, is on/at, say, 2B? Which base? Because if F4 is involved, then it’s likely 2B, and saying “step back on” means this is probably a pickoff attempt… @Tog Gee has a point… has the Runner been tagged? Does F4 have the ball? We can’t rule Out or Safe until we have a play… and that involves the ball… and some other ingredients. Hey, details matter. Recipe incomplete. Let's make this simple. 1. Fielders foot is on top of base. 2 Runner's foot is on top of fielders foot. 3. Two scenarios: a. Fielder tags runner. Out or safe? b. Fielder receives throw for a force out. Out or safe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MadMax Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 A: Is the Runner’s foot in contact with the base? – No. It’s not in contact with the base, since it’s in contact with the fielder’s foot between. Thus, if tagged → Out. B: Did the Runner beat the ball-&-fielder-in-possession-of-ball to the base? – No. The FIPoB touched the base before the Runner did. Thus, Out. Pretty simple logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BigBlue4u Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 25 minutes ago, MadMax said: A: Is the Runner’s foot in contact with the base? – No. It’s not in contact with the base, since it’s in contact with the fielder’s foot between. Thus, if tagged → Out. B: Did the Runner beat the ball-&-fielder-in-possession-of-ball to the base? – No. The FIPoB touched the base before the Runner did. Thus, Out. Pretty simple logic. MM..Agreed if fielder's foot was on the base first on a force play, the runner would be out. However, if it was not a force play, could we possibly go with 10-2-g (HS) or 8.01c (MLB) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 beerguy55 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 On 5/19/2024 at 11:21 PM, R.C. said: Is he out when tagged or is he legally touching the base? These two options are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The second is easy - no, he is not touching the base - legally, virtually, practically, technically, actually, or in any other way. The first I'll leave to the experts here to determine if there is a case for OBS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R1 steps back onto the base but his foot is on top of F4's foot which is on top of the base and no part of R1's foot is actually touching the base. Is he out when tagged or is he legally touching the base?
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"Electricity" ain't part of FED.
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Let's make this simple. 1. Fielders foot is on top of base. 2 Runner's foot is on top of fielders foot. 3. Two scenarios: a. Fielder tags runner. Out or safe? b. Fielder
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These two options are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The second is easy - no, he is not touching the base - legally, virtually, practically, technically, actually, or in any other way.
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