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NFHS deal ball appeal

 

Is there an appropriate time to entertain an appeal ? Do we have to wait for awards, etc.

 

Example to illustrate what I'm trying to ask:

 

Runner sliding into third on a throw that gets by F5 and runs out of play. Runner overslid on a headfirst slide and clearly missed the base but see the ball go out of play.

Umpire kills play and awards home.

Runner stands up and

a) before he gets a chance to correct his touch of 3B, defense instantly verbally appeals the missed base after the award was given

b) runs half way to home before he hears his base coach yelling to retouch 3B and turns around to touch, and subsequently the defense appeals the missed base before he gets back to touch

 

 

Do we outs here? Or do we give the runner a second to figure out his life since the ball went out of play.

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27 minutes ago, RBIbaseball said:

NFHS deal ball appeal

 

Is there an appropriate time to entertain an appeal ? Do we have to wait for awards, etc.

 

Example to illustrate what I'm trying to ask:

 

Runner sliding into third on a throw that gets by F5 and runs out of play. Runner overslid on a headfirst slide and clearly missed the base but see the ball go out of play.

Umpire kills play and awards home.

Runner stands up and

a) before he gets a chance to correct his touch of 3B, defense instantly verbally appeals the missed base after the award was given

b) runs half way to home before he hears his base coach yelling to retouch 3B and turns around to touch, and subsequently the defense appeals the missed base before he gets back to touch

 

 

Do we outs here? Or do we give the runner a second to figure out his life since the ball went out of play.

Allow runners to complete their awards. 
No outs in your situation. 

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13 minutes ago, RBIbaseball said:

Runner overslid on a headfirst slide and clearly missed the base but see the ball go out of play.

Umpire kills play and awards home.

Slight correction. The umpire didn’t “kill play”, the ball being mis-fielded and going Out of Play (into DBT) is what killed play. 

This very slight technicality factors into how you (as umpire) will explain why you’re adjudicating the way in which you’re about to… 

So, let’s ask a question… without the ball in their possession, could the defense make an immediate appeal upon a Runner in or during Live ball play? 🤔 

No. 

So if their actions caused the ball to become Dead, why would they get that benefit of an immediate appeal with the ball now being Dead? 

Huh! Exactly. 

So, the offense (Runner) has the latitude to correct his base running “error”. Granted, there are prohibitions and limits in the rules that invalidate attempts at corrections (eg. when a following Runner touches the plate, and you, as a preceding Runner missed it; you can go ahead an touch it all you want, the umpire is not to consider it a valid, or legal, re-touch). As a procedural protocol, we are to make awards & placements first, then entertain appeals. If during the award, the Runner doesn’t correct a mis-touch / error, or commits a (further) miss, we are not to remind or rectify them. Once completed with the/all award(s), then entertain any/all appeals. 

Yes, there is Rules / Manual support for this particular procedure. 

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Okay, thanks for the explanation guys.

Yes, I was pretty sure I'm not entertaining those appeals, but I went down this weird rabbit hole in my head and had to ask.

 

Like on a HR, can the defense appeal right after the B/R misses a base? ... or do they have to let them come all the way around

 

What about 2 seconds after he misses home.... or do we give the offense time to correct (ie runner clearly abandons effort or enters dugout)

 

I couldn't find anything definitive in the rule book for this, but rather just during a dead ball. Maybe I missed it.

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There's a specific statement in the rule book under appeals to the effect that "If the ball has gone out of play, runners must be given a chance to complete their base-running responsibilities before the appeal can be made."

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Rule 8-2-6

c. Dead Ball. The dead-ball appeal may be made: 1) Once all runners have completed their advancement and time has been called, a coach or any defensive player, with or without the ball, may make a verbal appeal on a runner missing a base or leaving a base too soon on a caught fly ball. The administering umpire should then make a decision on the play. 2) If the ball has gone out of play, runners must be given the opportunity to complete their base-running responsibilities before the dead-ball appeal can be made.

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