Ticky tac or not

[Jimurray]

Entertaining video for all, enjoy the whole thing but then let me know what the balk was at 5:33. 6:31 had a start stop an instance before the actual step off but really?

 

[Tborze]

13 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Entertaining video for all, enjoy the whole thing but then let me know what the balk was at 5:33. 6:31 had a start stop an instance before the actual step off but really?

 

Watched it ten times and still didn’t see it!  

[ArchAngel72]

at 5:33  I see what looks like a flinch/feint towards 2nd then a couple seconds later he picks his foot up to step off.

 

Thats how I read it with out sound  that is.

 

[ArchAngel72]

at 6:31 I am scratching my head.   Was it because his hands came apart before he stepped off?  He tosses the ball into the glove as his hands part and then he steps off... /shrug  I am reading into this as I am FAR from the expert on these things. 

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said:

at 6:31 I am scratching my head.   Was it because his hands came apart before he stepped off?  He tosses the ball into the glove as his hands part and then he steps off... /shrug  I am reading into this as I am FAR from the expert on these things. 

6:31 might be a start stop. While you can step off while coming set it can be perceived a stopping coming set before the disengage especially in MLB. He stopped bringing his hands together and then stepped off although I would consider him disengaging while stopping. 

[The Man in Blue]

5:33 -- watch his legs.  

My "guess" is that the runner took off running, so U3 interpreted that as a start and then stop in reaction to the runner.

[Jimurray]

19 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

5:33 -- watch his legs.  

My "guess" is that the runner took off running, so U3 interpreted that as a start and then stop in reaction to the runner.

He was already set. He couldn't start and stop. His leg movement was part of stepping off as far as I could tell.

[The Man in Blue]

29 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

He was already set. He couldn't start and stop. His leg movement was part of stepping off as far as I could tell.

The 5:33 one . . . don't look at his upper body at all.  If you are trying to watch the upper body you won't see it.

Right about when the commentator says the runner takes off, there is a twitch/flinch in his legs (not the step off). 

Yes, I do think it was ticky-tack, but I do (think I) see it.  Since the runner was taking off, trying to force the balk, I can see the umpire thinking he was starting to pitch and stopped.

[JSam21]

On 2/26/2024 at 11:21 AM, ArchAngel72 said:

at 6:31 I am scratching my head.   Was it because his hands came apart before he stepped off?  He tosses the ball into the glove as his hands part and then he steps off... /shrug  I am reading into this as I am FAR from the expert on these things. 

He started to bring his hands together, stopped doing that, then stepped off.

[Richvee]

On 2/26/2024 at 10:47 PM, The Man in Blue said:

The 5:33 one . . . don't look at his upper body at all.  If you are trying to watch the upper body you won't see it.

Right about when the commentator says the runner takes off, there is a twitch/flinch in his legs (not the step off). 

Yes, I do think it was ticky-tack, but I do (think I) see it.  Since the runner was taking off, trying to force the balk, I can see the umpire thinking he was starting to pitch and stopped.

Yep. You literally have to stare at his right knee and you can see a slight knee buckle. I watched it 4 times just staring at his knee. I saw it buckle in two of my four viewings. It’s that slight. Maybe it looked more pronounced from a different angle. But yeah, ticky tack I think.  

[Jimurray]

On 2/28/2024 at 7:08 AM, JSam21 said:

He started to bring his hands together, stopped doing that, then stepped off.

Or he started to bring his hands together and stepped off while stopping to bring his hands together.

[beerguy55]

On 2/29/2024 at 8:34 PM, Jimurray said:

Or he started to bring his hands together and stepped off while stopping to bring his hands together.

On 2/28/2024 at 6:08 AM, JSam21 said:

He started to bring his hands together, stopped doing that, then stepped off.

If nothing else, the 6:31 one looks "weird" - I suspect from U3's angle it looks like the hand went into the glove and came out.