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Force Out/Order of Appeals (OBR)
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Jessebleu
ForceOut/Order of Appeals (OBR)
I would like to know if I understand the topic of order of appeals/force out after following the threads in the recent past regarding this topic. I have provided the following example along with my understanding of the correct answer. I hope that members will respond to confirm whether or not my understanding is correct.
Loaded bases one out. On bloop hit to right field, R3 scores, R1 advances to second base. The BR rounds first (missing the bag). The first baseman takes a throw from right field and steps on first base, appealing to the umpire before the BR can get back to first (now two out). R2, who went halfway on the bloop hit, misses third base (BEFORE the appealed out at first base)and then advances to home plate.
The first baseman now throws to third and R2 is called out on appeal (now 3 outs).
My understanding is that since this inning ended on two appeals equaling exactly 3 outs, the order of these appeals should matter, and therefore R3 legally scores a run. To me this means that the appealed out at first base (for the second out) removed the force on a preceding runner, therefore the third out appeal (at third base) on R2 is not a force, allowing R3 to score a run. I also recall reading in an earlier post that Rich Marazzi explained that the defense did not keep the “force alive” because of the order that the defense appealed in a similar baserunning situation.
Also, in my attempt to find a rule in OBR that would support this concept of order of appeals, I was only able to find a rule that was also mentioned somewhere in these discussions in the past. That particular rule, 5.09(b)(6), has a sentence in it that says “ if a following runner is put out on a force play, the force is removed”.
This seems to me to be the one statement that supports this whole idea of the order of appeals mattering, which then makes the moment that a base is missed irrelevant if indeed a following runner is retired on a force out.(via regular action, continuos action appeal or an appeal completed after the ball is put back in play).
I am looking forward to responses from the membership regarding my understanding of this entire topic. Thanks to all!
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Jimurray
Back when Wendlestedt and it looks like J-R said the order of appeals didn't matter if the force existed at the time of the miss others argued that the order did matter and in fact NCAA has it in thei
Jimurray
I neglected to specify suicide which is when this usually was tried so the defense would have no choice except 1B. But NCAA has the sometimes matters "live action" clause. I would say this is an acade
TOMUIC
I wrote OBR in front of the situations I presented just to indicate the rules that we were working under. Sorry if I made people think the situations are printed in the OBR.
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