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Yes, it is legal in the Majors and Minors but it is illegal in Intermediate and above. The Little League RIM tells us that in the Instructor's Comments to rule 8.01(b). 

Even though it is allowed we are told that the delivery should not be taught precisely because it will be illegal in the older divisions.

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2 hours ago, Senor Azul said:

Yes, it is legal in the Majors and Minors but it is illegal in Intermediate and above. The Little League RIM tells us that in the Instructor's Comments to rule 8.01(b). 

Even though it is allowed we are told that the delivery should not be taught precisely because it will be illegal in the older divisions.

Actually MLB allowed sideways pitchers to windup like that for years with the same rule wording as the LL book. They added the "declare" requirement some years ago because some umpires did not develop a feel for the nuance of most sideways pitchers and couldn't discern what delivery the pitcher was going to use. In a previous similar thread I challenged for anyone to give me video of a pitcher whose delivery we could not discern. Haven't heard back yet but since OBR and NCAA both require "declaration" we don't even have to worry about whether a sideways pitcher will windup or not. That delivery would not be illegal in older divisions but the advice is good because when they transition to HS the delivery will be illegal.

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At little league minors and majors (60'), runners are "required to be in contact" with the base until the ball reaches the batter.  With no lead off, there isn't any distraction of/for pitcher restrictions so to speak.  They can wind up from the stretch...........they don't have to stop, etc.

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3 hours ago, Velho said:

OP may have been watching LL Intermediate, Juniors or Seniors which have lead offs and balks. All have been on ESPN under “Little League” brand. 

In which case, absent a RIM cite as to why it is illegal, a sideways pitcher with the pivot foot parallel to the rubber and the other foot free does not violate the LL rule which copied the OBR rule where no violation was called. There could be an issue if a sideways pitcher looked in for the sign, moved his free foot to become set, and then had a stutter step to windup. Never seen that at upper levels. Ignored it at 12U. Have advised some coaches that that delivery will have to be changed for HS in the US. Some coaches were aware but wanted that delivery to accommodate something else in new pitchers which I wouldn’t know about but @beerguy55 might.

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1 hour ago, Senor Azul said:

The 2022 Little League RIM tells us in the Instructor's Comments to rule 8.01(a) that in the windup position the pitcher's shoulders should be parallel to the line between first and third base.

 

 

NCAA put that in their rules some years ago. They backed off and now follow OBR. I would have to ask the guys that write the RIM what basis they have in their rules. These days most square pitchers take a repositioning stutter step to turn their pivot foot parallel in their delivery. Unfortunately in NCAA they sometimes run afoul of the NCAA restriction of one step forward and the inane interp that does not allow that reposition step to go anywhere near forward. 

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OP may have been watching LL Intermediate, Juniors or Seniors which have lead offs and balks. All have been on ESPN under “Little League” brand. 


I was watching the majors LL.

Thank you for comments, I tried uploading the video but was having an issue.


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1 hour ago, BigVic69 said:

I was watching the majors LL.

F1 in LL Majors can do nearly anything they want so no, there is no rule against pitching windup-like from the stretch

1 hour ago, BigVic69 said:

Thank you for comments, I tried uploading the video but was having an issue.

Yeah, very hard to get video small enough to upload to this site. If, after the above meaning the answer is 99.99999% likely "that's nothing in LL small field", you still REALLY want to share it, let me know the game and I can grab it (or DM me to email me).

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1 hour ago, Velho said:

F1 in LL Majors can do nearly anything they want so no, there is no rule against pitching windup-like from the stretch

Yeah, very hard to get video small enough to upload to this site. If, after the above meaning the answer is 99.99999% likely "that's nothing in LL small field", you still REALLY want to share it, let me know the game and I can grab it (or DM me to email me).

"F1 in LL Majors can do nearly anything they want" except QP or pitch with pivot foot way in front of the hole in front of the rubber. 

"there is no rule WORDING against pitching windup-like from the stretch" in any level of LL, and in OBR and NCAA with a "declaration. In NFHS a true parallel pivot foot position looking like the set can not be wound up from.

 

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