PU--phoenix arizona

[dumbdumb]

start at 12:59 and goes to 15:44.

does plate umpire not have to go up the line on batted ball to the infield with no one on in Phoenix, AZ (family web page says they are from Phoenix Arizona.

Is it too hot. are they not allowed to.

other observations from our High School umpire advisors/observers on this site.

 

[Thunderheads]

That just looks like a lazy PU to me.

And no, it's not too hot, ... Base ump has gloves on and a jacket

[MadMax]

2 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

in Phoenix, AZ

I have to be exceptionally brief: 

• That's a JV game.
• First-pitch temperature was 50º, with temperature dropping to 42º by the 7th inning.
• I know, because that's my jacket and gloves loaned to the BU. Good colleague was shivering in the parking lot.
• That's a JV game; I know, because I'm on the next field over, as PU, in my Plate Coat, conducting the Varsity Opening Night game. 

[Thunderheads]

18 minutes ago, MadMax said:

I have to be exceptionally brief: 

• That's a JV game.
• First-pitch temperature was 50º, with temperature dropping to 42º by the 7th inning.
• I know, because that's my jacket and gloves loaned to the BU. Good colleague was shivering in the parking lot.
• That's a JV game; I know, because I'm on the next field over, as PU, in my Plate Coat, conducting the Varsity Opening Night game. 

My comment still stands.  I'd think that regardless of the level, he needs to get down the line as @dumbdumb points out.

[SH0102]

Both umpires have things they need to improve, but I am glad they are out there, and hope they have good people surrounding them that will help them get there (assuming they are willing to learn)

I would be hesitant to call someone lazy unless and until I knew them and what they had been taught...if he is a brand new umpire working a low level JV game, that isn't lazy, it is not knowing best practices, and even if told, no muscle memory developed.  Game can be fast for him at this point and he is too focused on balls/strikes to consider all the little things that make a great HPU.

Now, if he is a veteran who usually works varsity and is "being lazy" because that JV game is beneath him, that's another story, but there is no way I would go there from one video posted, not knowing the guy.  If he lived in my area, I would be happy to work with him/them and help them along.  We need good young umpires.

[Thunderheads]

1 hour ago, SH0102 said:

Both umpires have things they need to improve, but I am glad they are out there, and hope they have good people surrounding them that will help them get there (assuming they are willing to learn)

I would be hesitant to call someone lazy unless and until I knew them and what they had been taught...if he is a brand new umpire working a low level JV game, that isn't lazy, it is not knowing best practices, and even if told, no muscle memory developed.  Game can be fast for him at this point and he is too focused on balls/strikes to consider all the little things that make a great HPU.

Now, if he is a veteran who usually works varsity and is "being lazy" because that JV game is beneath him, that's another story, but there is no way I would go there from one video posted, not knowing the guy.  If he lived in my area, I would be happy to work with him/them and help them along.  We need good young umpires.

Because I used the word 'lazy' in my response, and I see the word 'lazy' in this comment, I'd like to clarify what I said.    My words were: That just LOOKS LIKE A LAZY PU to me.   I used those words based on @dumbdumb's inquiry.  That, and you can't see the full picture of the plays in the video, so he may be getting up the line a touch (not enough that I can tell).  Based on what you can see, it does come across as lazy.  IS HE 'lazy' ...not necessarily, but it comes across that way; lazy, lackadaisical, not into it, etc ... bad optics... that was my point.

As for the rest of the above post, I whole heartedly agree! 

[Richvee]

A little off topic, but……….

So mom just YouTubes her daily life and posts for all see?  This one’s got some baseball so there’s something to see… if  it’s a non game day does she still YouTube what’s for dinner?  Or sorting wash?  

[BLWizzRanger]

22 minutes ago, Richvee said:

A little off topic, but……….

So mom just YouTubes her daily life and posts for all see?  This one’s got some baseball so there’s something to see… if  it’s a non game day does she still YouTube what’s for dinner?  Or sorting wash?  

I wonder if only she became an umpire, would she get all of the attention she needs...

[JonnyCat]

Yes, there are a lot of things that the umpires could improve on. Is there any possibility that they just haven't been trained properly yet, or maybe the training hasn't set in yet? I would guess they were newer to the craft.

Were you born with an indicator in your hand? Did you not make any mistakes early in your umpire career? Do you not still make mistakes? I have made mistakes and still do.

Some umpires develop quicker than others. Looks like to me those guys were working hard, and they were out there actually doing a game. 

Maybe we shouldn't be so eager to disparage umpires and contribute the epidemic shortage of sports officials. How does the saying go, "Be the change."

[johnnyg08]

I think the summary of this entire thing...is that: Someone is ALWAYS watching. Remember that when you strap up the gear to go to work. How you handle that is your business, but someone is always watching...and probably also videotaping. 

[SH0102]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

I think the summary of this entire thing...is that: Someone is ALWAYS watching. Remember that when you strap up the gear to go to work. How you handle that is your business, but someone is always watching...and probably also videotaping. 

I agree, my son is a 2 year umpire at age 15 and I’ve told him many times about the importance of being professional and working hard , and also that everything is on video , and if it isn’t at that moment, it surely will be the second someone is screaming (parent, coach, player, umpire) or intensity ramps up.

[Catch18]

@ 13:15 U1 is in A…..and R3 comes into score???


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[johnnyg08]

11 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

Yes, there are a lot of things that the umpires could improve on. Is there any possibility that they just haven't been trained properly yet, or maybe the training hasn't set in yet? I would guess they were newer to the craft.

Were you born with an indicator in your hand? Did you not make any mistakes early in your umpire career? Do you not still make mistakes? I have made mistakes and still do.

Some umpires develop quicker than others. Looks like to me those guys were working hard, and they were out there actually doing a game. 

Maybe we shouldn't be so eager to disparage umpires and contribute the epidemic shortage of sports officials. How does the saying go, "Be the change."

We should remember this. We were all new at one point and I am thankful that there isn't any film. 🙂

[JonnyCat]

6 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

We should remember this. We were all new at one point and I am thankful that there isn't any film. 🙂

Me, too!!!! 

[Replacematt]

3 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

Me, too!!!! 

Now, I have a bit of a unique personality, but I wish there had been recordings all along. For many (especially new umpires,) it may be intimidating or something that might drive them off, but I have always liked to see what I was doing. (Having been a state finalist in the performing arts concurrently with the start of my umpiring career may also have something to do with that comfort.) Had I been PU in the OP video, for example, I could have seen that my uniform looked different from what I saw on others, even if I couldn't place why, making a starting point for improvement. 

But maybe video isn't the problem. I evaluated an umpire a little before the time of smartphones and had the chance to discuss after the game. He called our assignor and asked why he was being "blindsided" and "picked on." And that was with a relatively decent assessment--I don't know if video would have helped that situation or made him feel even more called out.

[JonnyCat]

10 hours ago, Matt said:

Now, I have a bit of a unique personality, but I wish there had been recordings all along.

No one wanted to see me like this! 

Now this isn't a picture of me, but it might as well have been. I wore shorts and a hat on backwards, though.

I do have to say at my first real camp in 2008, we did have video of our cage work. I found that very helpful.

 

[KenBAZ]

Guys, how could you all have missed the most obvious thing about the whole video?

GLM!

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