Called time

[Umpire in Chief]

I'll make no comments and just leave the video...

 

 

[ArchAngel72]

I would not want to be that 1st base ump.. Woof what an odd thing and bad timing and etc etc etc

 

I did not listen to it just watched was there a reason as to why he called time?

 

Could the purple team protest that?

 

 

[flyingron]

JOMBOY's lip reading of the ump says that he called it because "he couldn't see anything."

[dumbdumb]

1978 Texas at California. Top of 3rd John Lowenstein Batter, Paul Hartzell pitcher. Fan threw paper airplane onto field just as pitcher Hartzell had started windup and umpire called time because of the paper airplane interference as Hartzell finished pitching, and Lowenstein hit ball into right field seats. Home run was called back. Lowenstein ended up walking. article did not say which umpire called time but crew was Deegan HP, Cooney 1B, Clark 2B, Kunkel 3B.

[johnnyg08]

A non-Jomboy take

[SH0102]

6 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

A non-Jomboy take

It was a mistake, and unfortunately for U1, it happened on a HR that would have ended the game.  Had it happened on a taken pitch (ball or strike), a pop up, or even a single, it might be a convo with a coach but certainly isn’t making Jomboy or anything.

But if he is on this game (D1 televised on espn), he’s obviously a very good umpire. I would surmise no one felt worse about it than he did but there isn’t much you can do at that point but go with it, if P had balked you aren’t enforcing the balk, works both ways, nothing can happen during time.

But guess my point is, this bad mistake aside, he is one of us, he’s a good umpire or he wouldn’t have been assigned this game, I’m sure he feels terrible, and I hope if anyone on here knows him personally, they will reach out in support of him.

I got to work a game this summer (independent ball) with a phenomenal umpire who was an incredibly nice guy.  He called a great game on the plate, was one of the nicest pre-games I ever had, professional, asked about my son who is a budding umpire, was just a great guy and umpire.  Didn’t find out until later he was one of the umpires on the Mercyhurst game last year.  Our worst moments may be what is seen, especially in this age of technology where even the lowest JUCO games are being live streamed on internet, but it doesn’t define us or mean we are bad umpires.  
 

hope everyone has a great season!

[ArchAngel72]

Ok after listening to JOMBOY

the lip reading suggests he called time because he could not see.

 

I am assuming he is calling time for safety concerns of the sunlight in the 1st basemans eyes? and or his view of the plate that the sun glare is too much?  

IDK?  

odd at least. 

 

[SH0102]

6 minutes ago, ArchAngel72 said:

Ok after listening to JOMBOY

the lip reading suggests he called time because he could not see.

 

I am assuming he is calling time for safety concerns of the sunlight in the 1st basemans eyes? and or his view of the plate that the sun glare is too much?  

IDK?  

odd at least. 

 

See my post above to know I am not harping on this guy, but if you call time because you the sun is in your eyes, what is going to change in the next 30 seconds?  Nothing.  It will take quite a bit of time before the sun has moved enough where it is not in your eyes.  Just put your hand up, block the sun, and let's go as best you can.

That said, I surmise in a close game, he did not want to chance a lefty pulling it down the line and he could not see (though HPU could help in that instance).  Check swing is irrelevant since question would go to U3, so that is all I got.  

I do not believe F3 called time because he was pretty adamant that U1 had called time, not that he had called time.  Even if F3 had tried, as U1 I am not granting it because he can't see, because as I said, what is going to change in the next 30 seconds?  With P set, batter set, about to be delivered, I am not granting F3 time so he can go get shades or something.

[Velho]

3 hours ago, SH0102 said:

But guess my point is, this bad mistake aside, he is one of us, he’s a good umpire or he wouldn’t have been assigned this game, I’m sure he feels terrible, and I hope if anyone on here knows him personally, they will reach out in support of him.

I didn't see anyone getting on him. Personally, I feel bad for him. In retrospect, I wonder if he'd see it as something he needs to work. Contemplating that is not burying him.

[SH0102]

2 minutes ago, Velho said:

I didn't see anyone getting on him. Personally, I feel bad for him. In retrospect, I wonder if he'd see it as something he needs to work. Contemplating that is not burying him.

Did I say anyone got on him?  Saying he is one of us and to support him is not saying "hey _____ was a D-bag about it".  

[Umpire in Chief]

Obviously as an ECU fan-boy I am experiencing this both ways as a fan and former umpire. And as an aside ECU deserved to be swept by Butler. We were outplayed on O, D & Coaching (which I don't say easily) I don't even recall the last time we were swept in a series. We were fortunate to only drop to #25 in the country. I personally don't know how 0-3 keeps you anywhere near that mark.

I made a very unpopular post on a ECU Baseball group essentially saying any umpire can call time (there were comments as to if he could) and this was just very unfortunate timing. I had no doubt he did call time because of F3s reaction. 

IAM NOT PUTTING THE UMPIRE DOWN HERE: BUT... I do question his judgement in calling time at that moment. It appears the pitch had begun. IMO, unless there is an immanent safety issue let that play proceed. 

As for not being able to see. We've all been there it sucks, but we play on. 

[dumbdumb]

you just want them to bring in your famous ECU alumni westy from florida don't you UIC.

so the old chicken and the egg (CCS 6/12/21). you also have reaction time, usually the pu and not the bu, which even on a legit time out or not, timing wise, there is that lag time or reaction time between the player (and in this case the umpire) asking and the official acknowledging either by voice and hands or by whistle or what ever. a lot can happen during that reaction time. i would imagine analytics would show less mature people have quicker reaction time over more mature people, just like analytics show the less mature have more accurate strike zones than the more mature.

so, as long as nothing happens when the pitch was thrown, there is just the argument of was it a ball or strike when you wipe the whole pitch off or let it continue. of course if the pitch would be the 3rd strike or ball 4, someone will be unhappy with that. so whether it was angels call last year on the home run ball or hudsons call on an 0-1 pitch and wiping it off due to that reaction time, or this one, someone will be unhappy. eventually that yes no answer with a split screen will show who started first and it may even be a tie, you just hope you do not (but you do what you got to do) have to make that call on a strike 3, ball 4, base hit with home run being the worst, or a hbp. Someone wins and someone loses. and i would imagine those guys are taught to pitch so you don't get hurt by stopping your pitching motion and the batter taught to stay in the box ready to hit until you hear your time call acknowledged.

now go call west out of florida to come up and work this sunday for that Carolina game. just don't step towards home, flinch, run outside base paths etc etc.

[johnnyg08]

There's a news article saying that U1 said he couldn't see....quote from the head coach who was EJ'd. 

[Umpire in Chief]

I've seen the video of coach Godwin claiming the umpire couldn't see. I won't post what's posted there but here are some pretty interesting arguments. I took the screenshots from the video because theirs had some not so nice comments written on them.

On a positive note as a fan-boy. ECU looked really good against a strong Campbell team Tuesday and now we have our roaming series against UNC this weekend (Friday at UNC, Saturday at a neutral site, Sunday In G-Ville). Weather permitting I'll be there Sunday.

 

1. U1 (who called time) is wearing sunglasses
   
    
2. The sun wasn't an issue because it was coming from left field and he wasn't looking into it either way looking at the shadows.
   

[noumpere]

The shadows do NOT seem to be right down the first base line

[flyingron]

Perhaps he was looking at second base.   That seems to be the direction of the sun from his position.

 

[Velho]

45 minutes ago, flyingron said:

Perhaps he was looking at second base.   That seems to be the direction of the sun from his position.

Possibly. Though there was no one on base.

[dumbdumb]

On 2/23/2022 at 2:32 PM, Umpire in Chief said:

I've seen the video of coach Godwin claiming the umpire couldn't see. I won't post what's posted there but here are some pretty interesting arguments. I took the screenshots from the video because theirs had some not so nice comments written on them.

On a positive note as a fan-boy. ECU looked really good against a strong Campbell team Tuesday and now we have our roaming series against UNC this weekend (Friday at UNC, Saturday at a neutral site, Sunday In G-Ville). Weather permitting I'll be there Sunday.

 

1. U1 (who called time) is wearing sunglasses
   
    
2. The sun wasn't an issue because it was coming from left field and he wasn't looking into it either way looking at the shadows.
   

and the same umpire was there for last night's 6pm game working 3rd base for the 3rd game 5-0 win against UNC from the ACC at home, after losing the first 2 games of the series at UNC in this 3 game travel, away and home series for each team, in this inter d1 Conference AAC vs ACC contest.

[Umpire in Chief]

@dumbdumb It reminds me of an assigner I once had if you made a report to him of a coach saying something like "You'll never work here again!" You were pretty much guaranteed to be there again very soon and very often. I even had my schedule changed to go back to a site where I was told that. LOL