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How are the umpires selected for the MLB playoffs?  Does the union have any say so?  Is their a mandatory rotation?   I will miss watching Joe West umpire.

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On 10/8/2021 at 2:57 AM, umpstu said:

How are the umpires selected for the MLB playoffs?  Does the union have any say so?  Is their a mandatory rotation?   I will miss watching Joe West umpire.

in the old days, no WC or DS, there was a rotation system so each umpire like Jake O'Donnell received an LCS once every 4 years and a WS about once every 6 years.

then things started moving towards a merit based system and also a DS was added and then a Wild Card.

Richie Phillips felt like even under a merit based system, every umpire should at least get a WS once every 15 years.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1988-10-16-8803020257-story.html

here is an article you might like. you can google other articles where mr. solomon, mr. port, mr torre i believe spoke to this question in the past. i do not know if the new guy 2021, mike hill has spoken on the subject yet, and how things have changed since this article.

remember, the article below, 2014, is with a system that does not acknowledge the system's (which has been acknowledged by the creators, not that there is a billboard in every city acknowledging that fact) margin of error of 1 inch, nor does it acknowledge the ball itself anywhere but in the middle of the ball, so it puts a dot that is 1 inch off the plate from the middle of the ball, outside or inside. that means that .47 of an inch of the ball caught the plate, therefore that system above, track man, etc. mentioned, counts this as a miss whereas zone evaluator and close call sports uefl systems counts this as a correct call. also as far as high/low, the box is plotted to the average hitter, not to each individual hitter per the strike zone rule in the rule book, on the system used in the article vs zone evaluator and uefl.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/postseason-umpires-mlb-accurate-joe-west/

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/usa-today-international-edition/20051026/282166466578542

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/hp/sports/20081027_Series_showcases_the_errors_of_umps_ways.html

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20091017/282505769660217

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/were-the-best-umpires-behind-the-plate-during-the-playoffs/

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6 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

in the old days, no WC or DS, there was a rotation system so each umpire like Jake O'Donnell received an LCS once every 4 years and a WS about once every 6 years.

then things started moving towards a merit based system and also a DS was added and then a Wild Card.

Richie Phillips felt like even under a merit based system, every umpire should at least get a WS once every 15 years.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1988-10-16-8803020257-story.html

here is an article you might like. you can google other articles where mr. solomon, mr. port, mr torre i believe spoke to this question in the past. i do not know if the new guy 2021, mike hill has spoken on the subject yet, and how things have changed since this article.

remember, the article below, 2014, is with a system that does not acknowledge the system's (which has been acknowledged by the creators, not that there is a billboard in every city acknowledging that fact) margin of error of 1 inch, nor does it acknowledge the ball itself anywhere but in the middle of the ball, so it puts a dot that is 1 inch off the plate from the middle of the ball, outside or inside. that means that .47 of an inch of the ball caught the plate, therefore that system above, track man, etc. mentioned, counts this as a miss whereas zone evaluator and close call sports uefl systems counts this as a correct call. also as far as high/low, the box is plotted to the average hitter, not to each individual hitter per the strike zone rule in the rule book, on the system used in the article vs zone evaluator and uefl.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/postseason-umpires-mlb-accurate-joe-west/

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/usa-today-international-edition/20051026/282166466578542

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/hp/sports/20081027_Series_showcases_the_errors_of_umps_ways.html

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20091017/282505769660217

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/were-the-best-umpires-behind-the-plate-during-the-playoffs/

Appreciate the articles,but I'm looking for info on the actual selection process.  These are basically about strike zones and missed calls.  Thanks.

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19 hours ago, umpstu said:

Appreciate the articles,but I'm looking for info on the actual selection process.  These are basically about strike zones and missed calls.  Thanks.

Appreciate the response back, so, basically you are looking for someone sitting in the room for that 2 days selection process mentioned, with a recorder on, so you could get exactly the who what when where why of that particular year, for how each umpire was exactly chosen and which position he started and what series, and with whom, etc. etc.

i think they should also publish that total 2 days of the selection process, courtesy of a person in the room who records every single word and how everything came together, and send a copy to the press (total transparency), so we can all read exactly what went on and what was said word for word and (by whom preferably) those whole 2 days. if you can get that detailed process information,  i would love to have that information also.

Sorry i came up short (process) with only the below from those tags given and remember the Commissioner can do anything in the best interests of baseball so he is the one responsible for everything. it starts at the top.

Jimmie Lee Solomon--2005

Planning for the postseason startsweeks before.

Criteria are very important: Strike zone, QuesTec performance, situation management, experience, missed calls, overall umpiring knowledge, pace of game, mobility, in- season supervisor comments and observer reports.

Remember QuesTec? That’s the controversial electronic system used to evaluate how accurately umpires call balls and strikes.

Once the crews are set, Commissioner Bud Selig, MLB President Bob DuPuy and Solomon meet. “ We all have a chance to have an opinion about the lists submitted and go back for one 4 nal deliberation with the selection committee,” he says.

Pausing, Solomon adds: “ We don’t have one guy sitting in the back room picking his buddies. It is basically the overall performance over the year thatwe look at.”

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Mike Port 2008

Selection of postseason umpires is based on merit, though there are provisions in the umpires' collective-bargaining agreement that prevents an umpire from working World Series in consecutive years, or back-to-back postseason series. In other words, an umpire cannot work a league championship series and a World Series in the same year.

The postseason begins with 24 umpires assigned to four division series. The six umpires assigned to this World Series all worked in the division series.

Those 24 umpires are selected by Major League Baseball, based on regular-season performance.

"We have a two-day meeting of all our supervisors and department personnel," Port said. "We evaluate every one of our 68 full-time umpires. We look at how plays were handled, how situations were handled, strike-zone management, positioning, durability - any performance element we can come up with it."

Teams are not part of the selection process, though Port acknowledged that their input during the season is considered.

"Part of our equation is what we've heard over the course of the season," Port said. "If I hear 30 clubs say, 'This guy did a hell of a job,' that's worth something. Conversely, if I hear from a number of clubs that a particular umpire didn't do a good job, that is taken into account."

a longtime umpire 2009

“Jimmie Lee Solomon doesn’t know anything about umpiring or how to fix the problems,” one longtime umpire told me. “There’s no teaching to speak of, especially in the minor leagues. The selection of umpires for the postseason, which was supposed to be on merit, continues to be political,

 

Mike Tevan---2014

“The main component in the selection of Umpires for Postseason assignments is performance during the season,” Teevan wrote. “We factor in results from the Zone Evaluation system for their plate assignments, accuracy on their calls and rulings, and observations of their work by our Supervisory staff. In addition, there is consideration given to an Umpire’s experience level (overall seniority and previous Postseasons), his proficiency at handling situations, health and time missed during the season, and a number of other administrative factors.”

Mike Tevan 2019

Teevan said assignments are “merit based” but that the evaluation criteria goes beyond ball-strike accuracy. “A variety of factors [are taken] into account, including experience, skill sets, communication and situation-handling,”

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