New mechanic 2.0? (Pre-pitch situational cancellation of rotation...)

[SeeingEyeDog]

Greetings brothers,

     I just stumbled onto this this morning and I wanted to share. Please feel free to pick on this, add to it, or delete it. Comments reflecting my awesomeness would also be welcome...as always. Ok, check my logic here:

     2-man crew with R1 and R3, the defense has a one run lead and the infield is in. (My game was 20+ men's league but, I think this could be applied at any level of play with this scenario...) The rotation here...is cancelled. Pre-pitch U1 is in B and normally we would signal the outs and that PU is rotating to 3B, if necessary and the arms out indicating the infield is indeed in. But in this scenario, PU signaled to me the outs, the infield is in...and then indicated he was staying home. The batter hit a line drive to RCF that rolled to the warning track, PU stayed home, both runners scored and my partner and I left the field.

How'd we do?

~Dawg 

[Richvee]

The only time I have seen that rotation called off pre pitch is 2 outs, full count. Runner is going to be off on the pitch, so PU isn’t gonna get to 3b on time. 
 

In your play, why would PU not rotate on a clean single?  On the hit in the gap, obviously PU would call it off during the play, but pre- pitch?  Why?  

[Replacematt]

1 hour ago, Richvee said:

The only time I have seen that rotation called off pre pitch is 2 outs, full count. Runner is going to be off on the pitch, so PU isn’t gonna get to 3b on time. 
 

In your play, why would PU not rotate on a clean single?  On the hit in the gap, obviously PU would call it off during the play, but pre- pitch?  Why?  

Yeah, that's my question.

If the game was tied, I would call off the rotation.

[SeeingEyeDog]

16 hours ago, Richvee said:

The only time I have seen that rotation called off pre pitch is 2 outs, full count. Runner is going to be off on the pitch, so PU isn’t gonna get to 3b on time. 
 

In your play, why would PU not rotate on a clean single?  On the hit in the gap, obviously PU would call it off during the play, but pre- pitch?  Why?  

Noted...thank you...that's a better adjustment to the situation.

~Dawg

[MadMax]

20 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

I just stumbled onto this this morning and I wanted to share. Please feel free to pick on this, add to it, or delete it. Comments reflecting my awesomeness would also be welcome...as always. Ok, check my logic here:

     2-man crew with R1 and R3, the defense has a one run lead and the infield is in. (My game was 20+ men's league but, I think this could be applied at any level of play with this scenario...) The rotation here...is cancelled. Pre-pitch U1 is in B and normally we would signal the outs and that PU is rotating to 3B, if necessary and the arms out indicating the infield is indeed in. But in this scenario, PU signaled to me the outs, the infield is in...and then indicated he was staying home.

There’s nothing new or novel here. Everywhere I’ve worked, this mechanic / rotation / communication option has been available to us, completely dependent upon the specific components and circumstances of the situation we are in. Sure, the on-paper prescription is to rotate to 3B, but situational awareness and experience, in that moment, will influence and inspire to do otherwise… namely, PU staying put at Home. 

Example: R3-R1, and R1 is a prolific base stealer (at least in this game), and has been getting a helluva jump on the pitch. Score is close – either tied, or the offense is behind by one. If there is going to be a hit to the outfield, R1’s 3BC is likely to send R1 to plate, because they’ve been challenging the outfield arms all game. Your BU partner is very deft, and able to read throws and cover all 3 bases very well. Watching the touch of R3 at the plate, and then preparing for an impending / potential play at the plate by R1 is more important than getting to 3B for a throw that isn’t going there, or at least for a contested play. 

So, in PU’s judgement, he reads it best to just stay home for this at-bat, and signals that the rotation is off. Conversely, even if the rotation was signaled, if the hit and play develop similar to how I was describing, then PU can communicate to BU that he’s abandoning the rotation and staying Home.

[Replacematt]

49 minutes ago, MadMax said:

There’s nothing new or novel here. Everywhere I’ve worked, this mechanic / rotation / communication option has been available to us, completely dependent upon the specific components and circumstances of the situation we are in. Sure, the on-paper prescription is to rotate to 3B, but situational awareness and experience, in that moment, will influence and inspire to do otherwise… namely, PU staying put at Home. 

Example: R3-R1, and R1 is a prolific base stealer (at least in this game), and has been getting a helluva jump on the pitch. Score is close – either tied, or the offense is behind by one. If there is going to be a hit to the outfield, R1’s 3BC is likely to send R1 to plate, because they’ve been challenging the outfield arms all game. Your BU partner is very deft, and able to read throws and cover all 3 bases very well. Watching the touch of R3 at the plate, and then preparing for an impending / potential play at the plate by R1 is more important than getting to 3B for a throw that isn’t going there, or at least for a contested play. 

So, in PU’s judgement, he reads it best to just stay home for this at-bat, and signals that the rotation is off. Conversely, even if the rotation was signaled, if the hit and play develop similar to how I was describing, then PU can communicate to BU that he’s abandoning the rotation and staying Home.

I'm firmly of the mindset that this rotation should not be called off in the OP until the play develops. Why hamstring yourself by removing your options before you have to make a decision? It just takes one weird thing for there to be potential plays at third and another base.