mac266 28 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 NFHS Rule: "A player or coach who is bleeding or who has an open wound shall be prohibited from participating further in the game until appropriate treatment has been administered. If medical care or treatment can be administered in a reasonable amount of time, the individual would not have to leave the game. The length of time that is considered reasonable is umpire judgment. The re-entry rule applies to starters. If there is any amount of blood on the uniform, it shall be changed or cleaned before that individual participates again." So let's say I'm behind the plate and take a back swing to the head. It cuts me open and I get blood all over my shirt. A medic is present and bandages me up so there is no more active bleeding, and says no concussion. So I can continue umpiring the game with my bloody shirt? The rule only addresses players and coaches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,037 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 As I understand it, yes, that's correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,571 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 But common sense and caring about people around you would dictate that you should at least change your shirt. It isnt like you only brought one! And I would probably do what I can to clean my chest protector as well. It is tough to tell someone e to do something that you wouldn't even do yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,037 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, BT_Blue said: But common sense and caring about people around you would dictate that you should at least change your shirt. It isnt like you only brought one! And I would probably do what I can to clean my chest protector as well. It is tough to tell someone e to do something that you wouldn't even do yourself. Common sense, and caring about people? By rule, there can't be any contact with an umpire, right? However, players DO INDEED have contact, or can have contact with one another. I think that's the difference there. "Should you?" In the grand scheme of things, yeah, I think it would make everyone feel better (especially with how stupid people can get about things).... but... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Senor Azul 540 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 2014 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 9: The home plate umpire, while positioned to make a call on a runner attempting to score, is hit by the ball in the mouth. His uniform shirt and pants become soaked with blood. RULING: The NFHS Sports Medicine Advisory Committee re-affirmed that if blood is on an umpire’s uniform, he will need to have it cleaned with the proper solution by a trainer, or change his uniform/gear. If he is unable to do so and he does not have spare clothing, and his partner does not have any gear or uniform pieces that will fit, it is permissible to wear what is needed to be able to finish the game. (3-1-6) By the way, the rule cited in the OP is 2019 FED rule 3-1-6. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,037 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 2014 NFHS Baseball Rules InterpretationsSITUATION 9: The home plate umpire, while positioned to make a call on a runner attempting to score, is hit by the ball in the mouth. His uniform shirt and pants become soaked with blood. RULING: The NFHS Sports Medicine Advisory Committee re-affirmed that if blood is on an umpire’s uniform, he will need to have it cleaned with the proper solution by a trainer, or change his uniform/ gear. If he is unable to do so and he does not have spare clothing, and his partner does not have any gear or uniform pieces that will fit, it is permissible to wear what is needed to be able to finish the game. (3-1-6) By the way, the rule cited in the OP is 2019 FED rule 3-1-6......geeeezSent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mac266 28 Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 5 hours ago, BT_Blue said: But common sense and caring about people around you would dictate that you should at least change your shirt. It isnt like you only brought one! And I would probably do what I can to clean my chest protector as well. It is tough to tell someone e to do something that you wouldn't even do yourself. True, but I own two in each color -- one each for working the plate (with a chest protector) and for working the bases. So they are different sizes and I would look ridiculous putting on the wrong size or the wrong color. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maven 4,872 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Yeah, that's basic bodily fluid safety. These precautions have been around since HIV. Most field first aid kits should have a spray (I think it's peroxide) that kills all the cells and viruses in a blood stain. That's what they spray on uniforms, gym floors, etc. when players are injured. It works on umpire equipment too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
noumpere 3,251 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 13 hours ago, mac266 said: True, but I own two in each color -- one each for working the plate (with a chest protector) and for working the bases. So they are different sizes and I would look ridiculous putting on the wrong size or the wrong color. You'll look even more ridiculous umpiring in a bloody shirt or no shirt at all. Switch to the other color shirt, Honestly, no one who knows the details will care 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UMP45 315 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 21 hours ago, Senor Azul said: 2014 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 9: The home plate umpire, while positioned to make a call on a runner attempting to score, is hit by the ball in the mouth. His uniform shirt and pants become soaked with blood. RULING: The NFHS Sports Medicine Advisory Committee re-affirmed that if blood is on an umpire’s uniform, he will need to have it cleaned with the proper solution by a trainer, or change his uniform/gear. If he is unable to do so and he does not have spare clothing, and his partner does not have any gear or uniform pieces that will fit, it is permissible to wear what is needed to be able to finish the game. (3-1-6) By the way, the rule cited in the OP is 2019 FED rule 3-1-6. This is why you bring EVERYTHING to your games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mudisfun 632 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 23 hours ago, Senor Azul said: it is permissible to wear what is needed to be able to finish the game. (3-1-6) That will be the one time that right after donning that other, unacceptable colored shirt to complete the game that someone from the state or your association will walk up, not know what happened and ding you! Just Murphy's Law. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aging_Arbiter 1,595 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 1/5/2021 at 1:25 PM, mac266 said: and take a back swing to the head. DUCK! On 1/5/2021 at 5:55 PM, Senor Azul said: is hit by the ball in the mouth. DODGE! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,571 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 On 1/6/2021 at 2:25 PM, Mudisfun said: That will be the one time that right after donning that other, unacceptable colored shirt to complete the game that someone from the state or your association will walk up, not know what happened and ding you! Just Murphy's Law. I feel like this would be one of the few times that "yeah, but..." would be an acceptable answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,571 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 On 1/5/2021 at 11:05 AM, Thunderheads said: Common sense, and caring about people? By rule, there can't be any contact with an umpire, right? However, players DO INDEED have contact, or can have contact with one another. I think that's the difference there. "Should you?" In the grand scheme of things, yeah, I think it would make everyone feel better (especially with how stupid people can get about things).... but... Yes, players and coaches have very little contact (if at all) with the umpire. But it DOES happen. How many times have we had a catcher turn the wrong way and run into us on a passed ball/wild pitch. It is not out of the realm of possibility. But yes... in the grand scheme of things. The optics would be really bad if the umpire, with a shirt soaked in his own brain matter, refuses to change his clothes or cleans it up properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,037 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 5 hours ago, BT_Blue said: Yes, players and coaches have very little contact (if at all) with the umpire. But it DOES happen. How many times have we had a catcher turn the wrong way and run into us on a passed ball/wild pitch. It is not out of the realm of possibility. But yes... in the grand scheme of things. The optics would be really bad if the umpire, with a shirt soaked in his own brain matter, refuses to change his clothes or cleans it up properly. That's a good point ...I didn't think of that one. Especially in High School .... Yes, .... I guess severity of what happened .... a little bit of blood, compared to 'blood soaked' ....and of course, brain matter CLEAN UP ON AISLE 4!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maven 4,872 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Thunderheads said: and of course, brain matter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,037 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, maven said: I didn't say that .....those were not my words ........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maven 4,872 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Sorry to comment on my own post: it always impressed me that Joey, of all people, could get the geometry of infinitesimals exactly right. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,571 Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 18 hours ago, maven said: Sorry to comment on my own post: it always impressed me that Joey, of all people, could get the geometry of infinitesimals exactly right. He was a great Fool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Minnz 72 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 On 1/5/2021 at 6:15 PM, mac266 said: True, but I own two in each color -- one each for working the plate (with a chest protector) and for working the bases. So they are different sizes and I would look ridiculous putting on the wrong size or the wrong color. Do you have a pullover or jacket? Maybe it is too hot, but that can provide an option too. I would also argue then as an umpire you aren't fully equipped with only one shirt option for that game. We have to have the right equipment at all times. While most of our equipment can be expensive to have duplicates of, a shirt is not. How do you work back to back days? If a shirt would tear on a Tuesday, do you have a local place to get a brand new shirt to replace it by a Thursday game? I have always felt only have one shirt of a color for a certain position is not enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadMax 2,251 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 On 1/5/2021 at 12:46 PM, BT_Blue said: It isnt like you only brought one! You haven’t worked High School baseball east of the Mississippi River, have you? I worked with guys that owned one umpire shirt... only. On 1/5/2021 at 6:15 PM, mac266 said: So they are different sizes and I would look ridiculous putting on the wrong size or the wrong color. You haven’t worked High School baseball east of the Mississippi River, have you? To quote one: “Navy’s all ya need!” How can you ever be putting on the “wrong color” if all we’ve got are [sic] navy??!! Besides! Navy or black hides the blood! Play on! On 1/5/2021 at 5:13 PM, Thunderheads said: geeeez I know, right??!! Fed’s got a rule for everything! Doesn’t matter if it makes logical sense or not, they got a rule for it! ... and be sure, @Senor Azul will find it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maven 4,872 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, MadMax said: I worked with guys that owned one umpire shirt... only. Me too. The guy I'm thinking of had one shirt for his whole career (more than 20 years). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATXBlue 28 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 4 hours ago, maven said: Me too. The guy I'm thinking of had one shirt for his whole career (more than 20 years). But think about the cost savings! Under $1 a year for that shirt... WINNING! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,571 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2021 at 10:26 AM, maven said: Me too. The guy I'm thinking of had one shirt for his whole career (more than 20 years). It can only loosely be defined as still being the color once called Navy. Also not sure if I want to laugh, cry, or both, with Max's post! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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