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Game was 14U league game, high school rules. Bottom of 7th and 3-3 score. Runner advanced to third on passed ball. Next pitch hit ground in front of catcher and he could not handle with ordinary effort. Runner from third scores, game over. Scorer charges catcher w/error. Should that not be scored a WP and the reason for the runner scoring?

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21 minutes ago, Guest Brian S. said:

Game was 14U league game, high school rules. Bottom of 7th and 3-3 score. Runner advanced to third on passed ball. Next pitch hit ground in front of catcher and he could not handle with ordinary effort. Runner from third scores, game over. Scorer charges catcher w/error. Should that not be scored a WP and the reason for the runner scoring?

Should have been a passed ball or WP.   If it hit in front of the plate it has to be a WP. Otherwise it's scorer's judgement as to the effort needed.

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In general, it's impossible to assess judgment calls without quality and relevant video.

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No need to see any video if the pitch was as you describe it in the dirt because this situation is actually covered in the rule book. The applicable scorekeeping rules are found in rule 9 of the Official Baseball Rules (OBR) and high school rules 9-5 and 9-6-1.

2019 OBR rule 9.12(f) The Official Scorer shall not charge an error when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk.

2019 OBR Rule 9.13(a) The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball touches the ground or home plate before reaching the catcher and is not handled by the catcher, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, the Official Scorer shall score a strikeout and a wild pitch.

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That depends...it sounds like the scorekeeper is the pitcher's parent, and you are almost certain the catcher's father, and worried that that error has just screwed up his chances for playing at Stanford.

You're gonna have to see if you can start being scorekeeper, to join the long line of parent scorekeepers who actively pat their kids' stats.

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1 hour ago, Senor Azul said:

No need to see any video if the pitch was as you describe it in the dirt because this situation is actually covered in the rule book. The applicable scorekeeping rules are found in rule 9 of the Official Baseball Rules (OBR) and high school rules 9-5 and 9-6-1.

2019 OBR rule 9.12(f) The Official Scorer shall not charge an error when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk.

2019 OBR Rule 9.13(a) The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball touches the ground or home plate before reaching the catcher and is not handled by the catcher, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, the Official Scorer shall score a strikeout and a wild pitch.

HS rule says before reaching the plate.  Question says HS rules.

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2 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

HS rule says before reaching the plate.  Question says HS rules.

Well, if it hit the ground before reaching the plate, there's a relatively OK chance that it hit the ground before reaching the catcher.

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1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

Well, if it hit the ground before reaching the plate, there's a relatively OK chance that it hit the ground before reaching the catcher.

FED says WP if it hits before the plate. OBR if it hits before the catcher.   And it can hit before the catcher and not have hit before the plate. So it can be a WP in OBR but not in FED in that case. So what's the issue?

 

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