SeeingEyeDog 180 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2020/2/15/21138987/michigan-batter-ejected-bat-swipe-baseball-unwritten-rules-nonsense-vanderbilt I completely understand why this player was ejected. And yet, my read on this was not challenging PU's call but, disgust with himself. Perhaps the message here then is don't put an umpire in that kind of position to make a decision about your intent...? I don't call college ball and I have no ambition to do so. I have encountered players who have waived their bat out where the last pitch was that they were caught looking at and met that with a, "We'll have none of that today, sir..." and that was the end of it. Pardon my ignorance, is this where we are in leagues where the players shave? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maven 5,007 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Do you know what he said while "swiping" (the video seems to have no audio)? Do you know what happened in the rest of the game? I don't trust a Twitter video to give me the whole story, much less a "sports writer." 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,142 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I don't have the details either, but I think based on what I saw, ... PU though it was a line drawn for the pitch and it clearly wasn't. The other option is what @maven brought up .... he may have said something also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stan W. 634 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I'm of the school to interpret things a little more loose than when I was coming up.....back then any line drawn or action like drawing was an instant EJ. However, not knowing what was said, I cant rule this EJ out as valid...........when I started, I was amazed at the things that were said to me and my partners and the thought that as long as they didn't look at you, they could say anything they wanted...........pretty common then...... I don't tolerate abuse.......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfe_man 1,009 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Stan W. said: I'm of the school to interpret things a little more loose than when I was coming up.....back then any line drawn or action like drawing was an instant EJ. However, not knowing what was said, I cant rule this EJ out as valid...........when I started, I was amazed at the things that were said to me and my partners and the thought that as long as they didn't look at you, they could say anything they wanted...........pretty common then...... I don't tolerate abuse.......... I threw a coach last year who kept insisting he never raised his voice - so in his mind he could say anything as long as he kept a civil tone. Told him it did not matter, when I said we're done, we're done and it was time to play ball. Amazed at how so many guys think they can say/do anything as long as they are walking away. I see this comment and hear it from announcers all the time. It's like a get out of jail card. "He was walking away Joe, how could they toss him for that?" Like this... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blue 437 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Try it with your boss or significant other ... how'd that go? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thatsnotyou 120 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 6:16 PM, Thunderheads said: I don't have the details either, but I think based on what I saw, ... PU though it was a line drawn for the pitch and it clearly wasn't. The other option is what @maven brought up .... he may have said something also It clearly wasn’t? What’s he doing, moving a rock? I could say it “clearly was”, but it’s just an opinion. It’s a video open for interp. For the record, I do think he meant it as a line/I’ll show you where that pitch was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,142 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Thatsnotyou said: It clearly wasn’t? What’s he doing, moving a rock? I could say it “clearly was”, but it’s just an opinion. It’s a video open for interp. For the record, I do think he meant it as a line/I’ll show you where that pitch was. After watching the video, yes, it clearly wasn't . Why did he draw a line as if he was tracing the back line of the batters box? His "drawing" didn't make sense. Please notice I'm not saying I don't understand the EJ, I do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thatsnotyou 120 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 6:02 AM, Thunderheads said: After watching the video, yes, it clearly wasn't . Why did he draw a line as if he was tracing the back line of the batters box? His "drawing" didn't make sense. Please notice I'm not saying I don't understand the EJ, I do Why? To denote where he thought the pitch was - inside. It’s clearly what he was doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,142 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Thatsnotyou said: Why? To denote where he thought the pitch was - inside. It’s clearly what he was doing. he thought the pitch came in and went PARALLEL TO THE BACK LINE OF THE BOX? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
udbrky 327 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 He doesn't look back at him, and his body language seems like he's not still thinking "wtf man that wasn't a strike" when he gets ran. This could be one of those instances where the player has a rep and they tossed him because of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richvee 2,345 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, udbrky said: He doesn't look back at him, and his body language seems like he's not still thinking "wtf man that wasn't a strike" when he gets ran. This could be one of those instances where the player has a rep and they tossed him because of that. Frosh. First game. No rep. I still think it’s a valid EJ. I think he pointed the bat to where the ball was, then just dragged the bat. Not exactly drawing a line, but “pointing” the bat at a spot. Same deserved consequences 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thatsnotyou 120 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 3/3/2020 at 6:44 AM, Thunderheads said: he thought the pitch came in and went PARALLEL TO THE BACK LINE OF THE BOX? He put his bat down to show him where the pitch was. He dragged/drew as he moved backwards to make it "not obvious" what he was doing. It didn't work. I don't see how this is that hard. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young_Ump 37 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 21 hours ago, Richvee said: Not exactly drawing a line, but “pointing” the bat at a spot. Same deserved consequences Just for my own future reference, if a player points at the spot where he thought the pitch was, or steps there etc., he should be run? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,630 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Young_Ump said: Just for my own future reference, if a player points at the spot where he thought the pitch was, or steps there etc., he should be run? If you have to ask this question, you should be ejecting. After a bit more experience, you'll be able to find those times where you may be able to use other tools--but a line being drawn is always, always ending that batter's day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richvee 2,345 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Young_Ump said: Just for my own future reference, if a player points at the spot where he thought the pitch was, or steps there etc., he should be run? Yup 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young_Ump 37 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt said: If you have to ask this question, you should be ejecting. After a bit more experience, you'll be able to find those times where you may be able to use other tools--but a line being drawn is always, always ending that batter's day. 1 hour ago, Richvee said: Yup Thanks guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderheads 3,142 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Thatsnotyou said: He put his bat down to show him where the pitch was. He dragged/drew as he moved backwards to make it "not obvious" what he was doing. It didn't work. I don't see how this is that hard. Jesus people relax .... I never said he shouldn't have been tossed, did I? Let me go back and check, ....NOPE. Never said it. He got tossed and deservedly so, I've stated that. FOR ME, it just looked odd. To be quite honest @Thatsnotyou .... YOUR description above actually made me look at it differently and I see your point with it. "I don't see how this is that hard" .............. It's not at all. It was just a unique/different 'line draw' that you could look at in slo-mo over and over again and discuss. I don't see how my initial comment got so much blow-back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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