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Umpire in correctly calls infield fly rule.  No one on first just 2nd and 3rd.  How would you fix the call? Ball was dropped .  Batter was given first because no infield fly.    My team did not even think to throw to first because umpire yell infield fly batter is out

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From the 2016 BRD (section 278, p. 179):

FED:  If a pop-up in the infield is not an infield fly by definition—because, for instance, first is not occupied—but the umpires erroneously declare out the batter, it is not an infield fly and any action that occurs will stand. Both teams have the responsibility for knowing whether conditions exist for an infield fly.

2019 NFHS Case Book Play 10.2.3 Situation F:  With R3 and no outs, B2 hits a high fly in the infield above the second baseman’s head. The base umpire erroneously calls “Infield fly. The batter is out.” F4 subsequently drops the ball. R3 scores from third and B2 ends up on second base. Does the play stand or is B2 out but the run allowed to score? Ruling:  The play would stand. Both teams have the responsibility to know when conditions exist for an infield fly. The batter-runner should attempt to reach base safely and then inform the umpire that his call was in error. (7-4-1f)

OBR Official Interpretation:  Wendelstedt:  If an umpire calls an infield fly when the requirements of the runners’ positions, or the number of outs, are not met, the play shall proceed as if no infield fly were called…

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19 minutes ago, Guest Tom Claus said:

Umpire in correctly calls infield fly rule.  No one on first just 2nd and 3rd.  How would you fix the call? Ball was dropped .  Batter was given first because no infield fly.    My team did not even think to throw to first because umpire yell infield fly batter is out

If your fielder hadn't dropped the ball it wouldn't matter.  Runners would hold and the batter would be out on the catch.

 

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12 minutes ago, johnpatrick said:

Umpire screw ups are hard to fix.  You just try to be equitable.

Did your team think about catching the ball?

It hit off second baseman glove and picked it up looking runner back to 3rd.  Field umpire corrected plate umpire that it should not have been call infield fly.

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In this situation all players and coaches should know the ump is wrong and act accordingly - this is not a judgment call - it is not an IFF situation.  Though it's hard, because players are told and told again to listen to the umpire or "play to the whistle", (eg. a foul ball is not foul until an ump says it's foul) the players in some situations need to think for themselves, and even ignore the ump - this is one of those situations.  You do so knowing that after the play if the ump does not correct the call it will be protestable.  

This is a much different scenario than if it truly is an IFF situation and then you are dependent on the umpire's judgment to whether or not it is an IFF.

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10 minutes ago, beerguy55 said:

In this situation all players and coaches should know the ump is wrong and act accordingly - this is not a judgment call - it is not an IFF situation.  Though it's hard, because players are told and told again to listen to the umpire or "play to the whistle", (eg. a foul ball is not foul until an ump says it's foul) the players in some situations need to think for themselves, and even ignore the ump - this is one of those situations.  You do so knowing that after the play if the ump does not correct the call it will be protestable.  

This is a much different scenario than if it truly is an IFF situation and then you are dependent on the umpire's judgment to whether or not it is an IFF.

IFF or not you should be tagging up on a popup on the infield.

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27 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

IFF or not you should be tagging up on a popup on the infield.

Yes - it's more about what happens if/when the ball drops.

In the OP:

  • The batter should know he is not out and needs to keep running to first, and then see what happens
  • The runners should know this is no different than any other situation where they are not forced and a ball drops
  • The fielders should know that ALL runners are live

 

If the ball drops and the fielder throws to first to get the batter who stopped running, I'm leaning towards "tough", batter out, he should have known better (with a growing leniency as the ages get younger or the level gets lower).  Likewise, if the fielder just slowly goes over, picks up the ball and tosses it to the pitcher, allowing the batter to realize his mistake and go to first...again..."tough", batter safe.

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If the ball drops, it is simple ... chaos ensues for about two minutes while you watch.  Then, if any runners were put out, you acknowledge the error, put the runners back, and call the batter out.  If no runners were put out, you acknowledge the error and call the batter out.  Since the runners run at their own peril, they get to stay put.  The batter should have been running (or should be running laps later), but is going to be out either way.

The rule is in place to prevent the defense from getting an advantage.  It is all fixable.  

What did the runners (or coaches) need to know from us that they couldn’t figure out on their own?

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25 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

 The batter should have been running (or should be running laps later), but is going to be out either way.

Wait a minute.  It wasn't an IFF situation, the ball drops and the batter reaches 1B and you say he's going to be out anyway?  How does that work?

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1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

If the ball drops, it is simple ... chaos ensues for about two minutes while you watch.  Then, if any runners were put out, you acknowledge the error, put the runners back, and call the batter out.  If no runners were put out, you acknowledge the error and call the batter out.  Since the runners run at their own peril, they get to stay put.  The batter should have been running (or should be running laps later), but is going to be out either way.

The rule is in place to prevent the defense from getting an advantage.  It is all fixable.  

What did the runners (or coaches) need to know from us that they couldn’t figure out on their own?

I think you answered to opposite question -- what happens if an infield fly *should be* called, but isn't?

 

The OP was: what happens if an infield fly *should not be* called, but is?

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^That.

I read “what if it is dropped” and thought we were going the other direction.  Sorry.

 

I’ll stand with the spirit of my post though ... the batter runner should be running (or running laps) anyway.  If he wasn’t, sorry.  Everything else is what it is.  

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On 9/23/2019 at 2:15 PM, The Man in Blue said:

If the ball drops, it is simple ... chaos ensues for about two minutes while you watch.  Then, if any runners were put out, you acknowledge the error, put the runners back, and call the batter out.  If no runners were put out, you acknowledge the error and call the batter out.  Since the runners run at their own peril, they get to stay put.  The batter should have been running (or should be running laps later), but is going to be out either way.

The rule is in place to prevent the defense from getting an advantage.  It is all fixable.  

What did the runners (or coaches) need to know from us that they couldn’t figure out on their own?

The rule is to prevent a DP (or Triple play). If it was an IFF fly situation bit not called don't create more than one our. 

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