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Phu Bai
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5 hours ago, Phu Bai said:

 Hockey, adopted a third man rule for fights...
 Any thoughts on a third man in rule in baseball?
Having four Umpires trying to control two whole squads is a bit crazy, having four umpires controlling two fighters makes more sense.

Thankfully, umpires don't have to officiate fights where a sport sometimes breaks out.  Fights are too infrequent in baseball to worry about it, IMO.

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18 hours ago, Phu Bai said:

Any thoughts on a “third man in” rule in baseball?

We already have it, especially relevant in college baseball (and I believe in NFHS baseball, too... I’ll need to summon @Senor Azul for a Rules citation... in 3... 2... 1... )... In so many words, it goes: “Leave your position to participate in a fight, automatic ejection.”

Do the pros need it? No, because the pros have one essential tool at the administration’s disposal – suspension(s) and fines. What’s the cause of nearly every fight in professional baseball? Some pitcher throwing one at some batter so as to “even the score” or impose some sort of punishment on a “code of honor” thing.

Amateur Baseball cannot suffer retaliatory pitches being thrown at batters, and therefore, already does not tolerate fights. The same can be said about amateur hockey – all fights are illegal and prohibited. Fights are only tolerated in professional hockey largely because it’s embedded in its history for so long. There are restrictions in place on how those fights are “contained”. Why is this? Because NHL leadership recognized protracted fights waste and expend time. The “third man” rule has much, much less to do with player safety, and all to do with “don’t expand or extend this fight into anything greater than a few minutes... we’ve got commercials and other programming to get to.”

 

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On 8/30/2019 at 12:31 PM, Phu Bai said:

 Hockey, adopted a third man rule for fights...
 Any thoughts on a third man in rule in baseball?
Having four Umpires trying to control two whole squads is a bit crazy, having four umpires controlling two fighters makes more sense.

The difference is in hockey the third man in is typically what starts the brawl - typically the two players fight and that's it...the other players stay back, unless a third man enters the fray, then all hell breaks loose.

In baseball the benches and bullpens are clearing no matter what happens with the first two fighters.

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On 8/31/2019 at 8:50 AM, MadMax said:

We already have it, especially relevant in college baseball (and I believe in NFHS baseball, too... I’ll need to summon @Senor Azul for a Rules citation... in 3... 2... 1... )... In so many words, it goes: “Leave your position to participate in a fight, automatic ejection.”

Unless it's Florida-Florida State.

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