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Replay That's a Waste of Time

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I saw this in a LL Softball game, but the same could happen at any level of the LLWS program.

R3.  B4 hits a bounding ball right on the 3B line.  ESPN had a camera dead set on 3BL-X as well as an overhead camera watching the PU.  About 50 feet down, the ball looked foul when it was touched by F5, and the PU so called it right away after the touch.

OTM wanted a replay.

Supposed it had been overturned?  What do you do now?  You cannot UN-foul a batted ball (unless you are Angel Hernandez).  It would seem the only thing you could do is take the strike away from the count.  But I sure as heck would not award bases to the batter or the runner.  What's to say F5 couldn't have thrown R3 out at home had the ball been ruled fair?

Question is, why do they waste time on a fair/foul judgement that has been ruled FOUL?  I could see it the other way, because you theoretically change the call to foul and reset runners and the batter quite logically.

SMH!

Mike

Las Vegas

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John:  Wouldn't be the first time that ESPN and the replay officials can play God!  

Where's Ben Dreith when we need him?

Mike  :-)

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To Vegas’s point — and I have not seen the play in question — I would come back and say “OK coach, fair ball, but I think it was going to be a double-play if it played out.  So instead of a strike, you now have two outs.”

I don’t like it.  I don’t mind placing runners when I have something to work with (i.e., an obstruction call).  With changing a foul ball to a fair ball, I have nothing to work with.  Can I call the runner out if I thought that’s how it would have played out?  Can I put her on third because she’s little and looks fast plus I know F5 hasn’t made an on target throw the whole game?

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I think a lot of people worry themselves with things that are of no consequence to them when they don't know the procedures that are actually in place... 

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Saw the play.  R3 and ball rolling down the third base line.

F5 touched the ball but it bounced off her glove and bounced foot or two away (foul territory).

IF the call had been been overturned (foul to fair) I would have placed the batter on first (due to the deflection, F5 could probably not have thrown her out).  I would have kept R3 at third (not scoring on a ball half way down the third baseline).

It was very close but correctly ruled foul (IMO).

 

The other very close call that was overturned was the play at first in the first inning. Originally ruled as out number three but upon replay the call was changed to safe resulting in R3 scoring the first run of the game.

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Why the heck unless its a homerun would they have replay for a close fair or foul call if the Umpire signaled it and the runners acted per the call?

 

Makes 0 sense to me.  leave that part of humanity in the game please jeez.

 

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I was binging games this weekend and finally saw this.  

It would have been nice if the TV announcers had explained what would happen if it was overturned.  Or maybe they did and I missed it.

Now that I saw it, IMO it is still one of the silliest things I have ever seen.  Logically, the offensive coach wouldn’t have challenged it had it been caught ... but could the defensive coach challenge it claiming his player would have thrown the runner out?  Sheer silliness.

Related note — some of the rulings on the replay challenges in the LL Softball World Series were downright baffling.  Apparently they use a different standard or had angles the TV cameras didn’t.

I know Gil and the Close Call staff just released stats on MLB replay for this season.  It would be interesting to know the stats on the replay challenges in the LLWS.  How do the volunteer umpires stack up?

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