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So I'm watching these LLWS games.  I do not want to offend since I don't work this level of ball but is it required for the umpires on televised games to signal their calls like robots? I thought that was reserved for softball games, again, no offense intended, just my observation.  And yes, I understand the proper mechanics are being used but I'd just like to know if this is stressed in all areas of the country.

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2 minutes ago, urout17 said:

So I'm watching these LLWS games.  I do not want to offend since I don't work this level of ball but is it required for the umpires on televised games to signal their calls like robots? I thought that was reserved for softball games, again, no offense intended, just my observation.  And yes, I understand the proper mechanics are being used but I'd just like to know if this is stressed in all areas of the country.

I believe that some of the mechanics either come from, or are shared from softball, but I've noticed it too.  There have been a couple guys who have been very solid behind the plate however, and NOT appeared robotic.  The mechanic for announcing a "reviewed call" is super silly, but, .... it is what it is ....

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LLI dictates the mechanics, IIRC from previous discussions on the board, all but the called 3rd strike is predetermined. 

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11 minutes ago, stkjock said:

LLI dictates the mechanics, IIRC from previous discussions on the board, all but the called 3rd strike is predetermined. 

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25 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

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Thinking the same thing since I've seen different strike calls all through last week.

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Just now, umpstu said:

Thinking the same thing since I've seen different strike calls all through last week.

Yeah ... I noticed 2 other guys pointing ....the rest was some form of a hammer-style.

I believe that's what stkjock was trying to say, so that's why I put the - ???

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Just my two cents ... even in softball it is very possible to achieve the appropriate mechanics and not look robotic.

Most of what I have seen in the LLWS games looks like guys who know they are on TV and are either extremely nervous or are overdoing it to make sure they hit the prescribed beats.  No different than doing an interview on TV or speaking in front of an audience.  You know what you need to do, so quite thinking about it and let it happen.

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Some of these umps are real doozies. I've watched a couple that I know  making calls on plays and am just shaking my head! . . . 

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I hope my defense of the LLWS umps doesn't come across as a backhanded insult. And I know we have several cherished members here who wave worked the LLWS and don't want to offend them either.  But here I go any way.

First, I have no exp in the higher level LL world. Next my primary resource for most of my LL info was a friend ( now passed on to his reward) who was a former collegiate umpire, but as he aged he went back down the ladder. So by the time I was working with him he was only working some HS Varsity including post season and a ton of LL. Both paid and unpaid. He was even on the state LL board. 

Here's what I wrote in 2014 about his experience. 

So I think there are multiple reasons they may not always be getting the best umpires. 

  1. Politics, like what I wrote in 2014, you had an umpire better than most at many different levels, that was shunned by LL. He even tried to do it their way. But this limits their own pool.
  2. Availability, It takes a lot of time off from work to do these tourneys, and I think the world of those who use weeks of their own personal vacation/PTO to do this. Even if I had the desire, I could not take that much time away. 
  3. Inconsistent training. The problem haunts every level of amateur baseball, but when you're relying on volunteers, I can only imagine that the problem multiplies. Many volunteers have the best of intentions but are not the greatest source of knowledge. 
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1 hour ago, Thunderheads said:

Yeah ... I noticed 2 other guys pointing ....the rest was some form of a hammer-style.

I believe that's what stkjock was trying to say, so that's why I put the - ???

sorry that I wasn't clear, IIRC, LLI, wanted all called strikes using the hammer, on a called strike three, LLI was ok with some personality coming thru and using whatever signal mechanic the PU chose, IE - Chainsaw, etc..

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34 minutes ago, Umpire in Chief said:

I hope my defense of the LLWS umps doesn't come across as a backhanded insult. And I know we have several cherished members here who wave worked the LLWS and don't want to offend them either.  But here I go any way.

First, I have no exp in the higher level LL world. Next my primary resource for most of my LL info was a friend ( now passed on to his reward) who was a former collegiate umpire, but as he aged he went back down the ladder. So by the time I was working with him he was only working some HS Varsity including post season and a ton of LL. Both paid and unpaid. He was even on the state LL board. 

Here's what I wrote in 2014 about his experience. 

So I think there are multiple reasons they may not always be getting the best umpires. 

  1. Politics, like what I wrote in 2014, you had an umpire better than most at many different levels, that was shunned by LL. He even tried to do it their way. But this limits their own pool.
  2. Availability, It takes a lot of time off from work to do these tourneys, and I think the world of those who use weeks of their own personal vacation/PTO to do this. Even if I had the desire, I could not take that much time away. 
  3. Inconsistent training. The problem haunts every level of amateur baseball, but when you're relying on volunteers, I can only imagine that the problem multiplies. Many volunteers have the best of intentions but are not the greatest source of knowledge. 

Being paid as a “volunteer” ump doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re better than an unpaid volunteer ump. Every ump should be evaluated on an individual basis for their knowledge and application of prescribed rules and mechanics along with common sense. 
    The generally applied statement of “well, he’s / she’s a volunteer” has become old. If you’re going to be a “volunteer” in ANY organization, LEARN, and KNOW, your job, and DO IT WELL!
     I always laugh when someone says to me, “no other volunteers get paid!” . . . and my response is: “do concession stand, field maintenance, or any personnel other than umpires need or require “special” equipment?” Then I hear “ well, there’s umpire equipment to use in the closet or meeting room” . . . yeah, I know I’d put that used stinking stuff on. HA! . . . oh, and I always ask if they know what the annual income of the LL “powers to be” get paid. . . . which brings a look of unbelief, shock, horror and SILENCE! . . . and don’t get me started on these ESPN “A$$H” announcers that get compensated for their “commentary expertise” 
     For the LL “purists” don’t badmouth paid “volunteers” because they accept some $ for their time and personal expense for travel, equipment, and having to listen to BS and sometimes derogatory remarks from coaches and especially PARENTS! . . . again, it doesn’t necessarily make them better, . . . but maybe just a little more conscience of their value and their time. People will GENERALLY take “free”. . . it’s called “the manipulation of good will”.
    IMHO, the most offensive, arrogant, and ignorant sentence / statement in the LL Rule Book is on page 14 under Umpires, second paragraph:  
    “there is no sound reason for paying umpires, or any other person whose services should be provided on a volunteer basis.”

    To attend LL’s Clinics in Bristol, WP, and their other “official” places, they charge you a fee of $$ > $$$ to “learn how to do it THEIR WAY” . . . then they want you to VOLUNTEER YOUR time, and expenses to them FREE!

Let me relate a story. I had a discussion with a State UIC regarding this. He owns a lawn care company. I asked him his hourly / job cost rate which he gladly gave to me (he thought he may have a prospective new customer I guess), Anyway, I asked him if he would please PAY ME his job fee and come to my house so I could show, demonstrate, and explain to him in detail how I wanted my landscaping done. . . . AND THEN, I asked him to come and do the work VOLUNTARILY without pay. Well, that was a whole different story! . . . now it was HIS time, money, equipment, and travel etc.
  
    I think we can safely ascertain that doesn’t apply to “the Higher Archy”? 

    That’s like your boss asking you to “volunteer” to work overtime without compensation while he sits in his office getting paid!   

    Carl Stotz was commissioner of Little League until 1955. Carl was a highly principled man and left Little League Baseball Inc. in late November 1955 over honest and valid philosophical differences centered on commercialization and central control issues with the management of L.L.B. Inc., of which Carl's conscience, would not permit him to remain. 
From that point on Carl continued an active relationship with "Original League" until his passing.

End of Rant:-)

 

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