Missed 2nd base, following runner was called out

[Guest Rtw]

7-8u Pinto league baseball.  Runners on 1st and 2nd.  Batter hits in the park homerun.  Runner on 1st base doesn't touch 2nd, scores and goes to dugout.  When the batter touches home, ump in outfield says that the runner on 1st had missed 2nd base and is out, then the homeplate umpire calls the batter out because he says since the runner missed 2nd that made the batter pass that runner.  Was this the correct call to call the batter out?  Can someone direct me to a rule that states the correct call?

[stkjock]

umpire should not have made the out call at second without the defense properly appealing that R1 missed second.

 

the batter/runner should not have been called out, he did not physically pass the runner.

 

What rule set are the games played under??

[noumpere]

14 minutes ago, stkjock said:

What rule set are the games played under??

From the OP: 7-8u Pinto league baseball.

Usually, at 7-8U level, you get 7-8U umpires.  I hope they learned something as well on this play.

 

[stkjock]

I saw that and was not familiar with such league and frankly too lazy to google for it.

[Lou B]

How would the umpires learn anything unless the manager Protested?

Unless the manager Protested then two wrong calls stand as-is and the umpires will continue to make the wrong calls.  Protests are a learning experience!

[noumpere]

11 minutes ago, Lou B said:

How would the umpires learn anything unless the manager Protested?

Unless the manager Protested then two wrong calls stand as-is and the umpires will continue to make the wrong calls.  Protests are a learning experience!

Sometimes, even without a protest,. there is a discussion -- and the good umpires (or those who become good umpires) will look it up after the game, or talk to more-experienced umpires, etc.

A protest is not the only way to learn something.

[Lou B]

The Protest process starts with an "Appeal", give the umps a chance to talk it over. If they reverse the calls (get it right) there is no Protest.  If they stick with the incorrect call(s) then you Protest.  Hopefully they learn the correct rule/ruling from the Protest Committee/hearing.

If you say/do nothing the umpires believe their calls are correct, even when they're not.

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, Guest Rtw said:

Can someone direct me to a rule that states the correct call?

Actually, you have it backwards.  The umpires should be required to point to a rule that says this is an out.

There is no rule that says what the umpire claims...and conversely, there is no rule that specifically says it is not.

You are out for physically passing a runner (ie. if the following runner somehow ends up beyond the preceding runner, the following runner is out)....in this case, even though the first runner never legally touched second base, the following runner never actually, physically, truly, technically passed the runner.    It only occurred virtually, and within the umpire's imagination.

 

There is no rule that says  "even if a preceding runner misses a base a following runner is not out for passing the missed base."

 

 

[Senor Azul]

A league called Pinto just has to be part of the PONY program. Each of their divisions has a horsey name—Shetland, Pinto, Mustang, Bronco, Pony, Colt, and Palomino.

[Lou B]

When I was a PONY League President it was:

Shetland: 5-6

Pinto: 7-8

Mustang: 9-10

Bronco: 11-12

Pony: 13-14

Colt: 15-16

Palomino: 17-18

Different field sizes for each of the younger age groups (till you get to 60'6"/90').

[The Man in Blue]

Pinto should be PONY, but PONY has never been aggressive on defending their trademarks.  I’ve found most organizations using PONY league names (around here) have rarely maintained their official affiliation.  Most of them are just independents using the names.

[spark2212]

On 6/13/2019 at 6:33 AM, Guest Rtw said:

7-8u Pinto league baseball.  Runners on 1st and 2nd.  Batter hits in the park homerun.  Runner on 1st base doesn't touch 2nd, scores and goes to dugout.  When the batter touches home, ump in outfield says that the runner on 1st had missed 2nd base and is out, then the homeplate umpire calls the batter out because he says since the runner missed 2nd that made the batter pass that runner.  Was this the correct call to call the batter out?  Can someone direct me to a rule that states the correct call?

No. R1 is out if the defense appeals at second; either way, the batter did not pass him. If he was out at second, he is removed from the play and cannot be passed, and if he wasn’t, then—I assume the batter didn’t physically run in front of R1?