Substitution Rule 3 NFHS

[Guest Ken Weyrick]

Top of the 5th, Home team moves DH to pitch, Changing lineup from 10 player lineup, to a 9 player lineup losing the DH. In the Top of the 6th first basemen and pitcher switch places, In the top 7th the 1st baseman and pitcher switch spots again. Legal ruled by umpire. Is this correct in NFHS rules?

[yawetag]

Sounds legal as long as the DH was batting for the original pitcher.

[Richvee]

8 hours ago, Guest Ken Weyrick said:

Top of the 5th, Home team moves DH to pitch, Changing lineup from 10 player lineup, to a 9 player lineup losing the DH. In the Top of the 6th first basemen and pitcher switch places, In the top 7th the 1st baseman and pitcher switch spots again. Legal ruled by umpire. Is this correct in NFHS rules?

Need more info. It’s Fed, so we need to know who the DH was hitting for. Whoever that is, needs to come out of the game when the DH comes in to pitch. Did the original pitcher go to he bench when replaced on the mound?  As for F3 and F1 switching positions, this is legal. As long as you’re talking about positions and not lineup spots. In FED a pitcher may be removed as putcher and return to pitch later in the game as long as certain other conditions are met regarding  the reason he was removed as pitcher the first time. ( 4th conference, injury, failure to pitch to one batter). 

[johnnyg08]

On 4/5/2019 at 2:05 PM, Guest Ken Weyrick said:

Top of the 5th, Home team moves DH to pitch, Changing lineup from 10 player lineup, to a 9 player lineup losing the DH. In the Top of the 6th first basemen and pitcher switch places, In the top 7th the 1st baseman and pitcher switch spots again. Legal ruled by umpire. Is this correct in NFHS rules?

No substitutions should be allowed that will change the batting order. 

Defensive positions, sure. But the batting order is locked. 

[beerguy55]

On 4/7/2019 at 10:17 AM, johnnyg08 said:

No substitutions should be allowed that will change the batting order. 

Defensive positions, sure. But the batting order is locked. 

This I think is the one thing that just gets lost by everyone - especially new coaches, scorekeepers, and umpires.   It's the most important thing that needs to be emphasized and understood - once you understand that simple point it gets so much easier to manage.  The order of the batters can't change.   

I'd like to see that statement reiterated at association meetings, league meetings, off season discussions, coaching clinics, etc.

 (exception would be leagues/tourneys that allow a subbed out player to sub back in for an injury if no one else is on bench)

 

This was apparently a loophole closed off in the late 60's with MLB testing the DH before making it official.  Apparently the first trial run the rule just said the DH bats for the pitcher - that was it - you put the pitcher wherever in the lineup (say, for example, cleanup), and then the DH batted when it was the pitcher's turn...so, some manager spent the last 4 or 5 innings doing double switches when doing a pitching change, and ensure the new pitcher would be one of the first three batters the next inning, and the DH got something like 9 at bats.   Then they made it a designated lineup spot, locked into place like the rest.