johnnyg08 1,714 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Jimurray said: Well MLB dropped the ball on the hard copy and the online rules. They did change it and NCAA followed. I can't do it now but two or three threads here expounded about it at the beginning of the year. I know. I'm pretty sure one of the threads is mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyg08 1,714 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 As weird as this season was, I'm not even sure dropping the ball is the right term. It's likely that they simply didn't care about publishing the rule book or updating the website. It's possible that most of that staff had been laid off too. Just checked mlb.com 2019 OBR is still the one hosted there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyg08 1,714 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, SJA said: Where did you buy it ? ump-attire.com In September. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyg08 1,714 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Just now, johnnyg08 said: ump-attire.com In September. For $10 it can be yourshttps://www.ump-attire.com/Products/MLB-OBR-2020/2020-Official-Major-League-Baseball-MLB-Rulebook Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UMP45 316 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 19 minutes ago, SJA said: Is this what you're ref too: Official Baseball Rules: Home (umpirebible.com) Rule 5.09(a)(2) Comment: "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground. It is not legal if the ball lodges in his clothing or paraphernalia; or if it touches the umpire and is caught by the catcher on the rebound. If a foul tip first strikes the catcher's glove and then goes on through and is caught by both hands against his body or protector, before the ball touches the ground, it is a strike, and if third strike, batter is out. If smothered against his body or protector, it is a catch provided the ball struck the catcher's glove or hand first. If I'm not mistaken the definition of a Foul Tip was changed sometime before the season started. Now as long as it hits some part of the catcher, some part of the body or equipment, and is then secured in the hand, hands, or mitt it is a foul tip. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyg08 1,714 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, UMP45 said: If I'm not mistaken the definition of a Foul Tip was changed sometime before the season started. Now as long as it hits some part of the catcher, some part of the body or equipment, and is then secured in the hand, hands, or mitt it is a foul tip. Correct. Welcome to the thread 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aging_Arbiter 1,625 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 12 hours ago, SJA said: To the best of my knowledge and recently ref as of Dec 2020, it's what I posted above from WUS. I have a buddy at HWUS as we speak. That was the first picture he sent me. They removed the "Hand or glove" verbiage. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SJA 226 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Thanks guys for all your help. I ordered a 2020 OBR book. :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NorthTexasUmp 49 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 And here is Ted Barrett talking about it last year on this video I stumbled across. The question about this starts about the 9:27 mark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Biscuit 181 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I'm at school now, and yes, it's been changed in OBR. The 2021 rule book/course manual we have reflects the change, and we covered it in class. So to summarize, OBR and NCAA, sharp and direct to any part of the catcher, and is legally caught (by the catcher). NFHS, sharp and direct to the glove or hand, and is legally caught. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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