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2nd Mound visit/Non-Substitution
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3rd Grade League Tournament
Top of the 2nd, pitcher hit a second batter. Injured player being tended to on field. All coaches on field with time out called. Home Manager does not call time or is granted time but crosses the foul line to tell pitcher he will be removed for a 3rd hit batter. Opposing team first objects to non-removal for 2nd hit batter. The rule states 3 hit batters is cause for removal. Once that argument is settled, Away Managers call 2nd mound visit to umpire for removal of Home pitcher. Home Manager asks for the rule book. League rules produced on the field do not state rules on mound visits. Umpire explains 2nd mound visit requires pitchers removal as stated in MLB rules. Home Manager disputes the "official" 2nd mound visit and the removal of his pitcher. Umpire says he must remove him. Home Manager again references rule book, asks to see rules to verify and he will remove pitcher. Away Managers again state MLB rules but nobody, including the Umpire, has a copy of MLB rules. Home Manager tells ump he is not removing pitcher and Away team calls protest. Protest is lodged, play continues as directed by the umpire. Home Manager asks umpire if pitcher can stay, Umpire allows pitcher to stay in game and play continues under protest. About 10-12 pitches later, the inning is over and the Away Team achieves their 5 run limit. Once the top of the 3rd inning commences, prior pitcher has been removed from game. Game continues to play out and home team wins the game, 10-9.
League Board rules in favor of the Away Team protest and awards losing team the forfeit for "illegal" pitcher, two days later... Umpire never called "illegal" pitcher on the field or forced his removal.
Mound visit rules state pitcher must be removed after 2nd mound visit. The umpire did not force pitcher from the game. The umpire did not suspend the game until compliance of the rules or even threaten discipline on Home Manager for non-compliance of this rule. The umpire allowed him to continue pitching. The 5 run limit was reached and the Away team was not negatively impacted in their half of the 2nd inning. MLB rules 5.1.h discuss non-substitution rules of improper pitcher becoming the proper pitcher once allowed by umpire and all resulting plays legal.
Which rule applies? 2nd mound visit removal or non-substitution improper pitcher becomes the proper pitcher by default resulting from umpires decision for pitcher to continue.?
The games outcome was not affected by the protest and the protesting Team got their 5 runs and led the game 5-3 going into the bottom of the 2nd inning.
Again, the league Board rules Manager disobeyed Umpire and thus his pitcher was illegal. The Illegal player designation allows for the protest to be granted and forfeit given to the winning team.
Umpire allowed pitcher to continue after 2nd mound visit.
Umpire did not discipline/warn/eject Manager for non-removal of pitcher on 2nd mound visit.
Protest team earns 5 run limit in protested inning and pitcher is retired after protested inning is completed.
Protest team loses the game in bottom of 3rd.
Thoughts on this scenario?
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noumpere
Two thoughts: 1) As described, I would have ruled differently if on the Board. 1a) But, the board rules (and rulings) apply. 1b) There's always another side to the story. 2) Get.
Jimurray
You would have to have a clown outfit to qualify to get on the board.
LRZ
No only is your pitcher done, HM, but so are you.
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