grozzly 33 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hello everybody !! Couldn't find a topic on Carter Capps' delivery Why not calling that an illegal pitch? Why would it be legal ? I need your opinions... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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dumbdumb 419 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 3 hours ago, grozzly said: Hello everybody !! Couldn't find a topic on Carter Capps' delivery Why not calling that an illegal pitch? Why would it be legal ? I need your opinions... Since this is an umpire's website (you might have a better chance of mentioning an umpires name), you might????? have a better chance of going by subject matter (why not a balk?, etc) than going by a player name. Not saying players names have not been mentioned before (many times) by any stretch of the imagination. But to answer your question, see below. Now, you will have to call the MLBU who was on the rules committee at this time---it use to be Brian Gorman (2016), to see how he voted on this particular delivery situation. Did he vote for a balk or did he vote the delivery was legal? And, if he voted balk, did he get out-voted by the other committee members and by how much. How did all the members vote??Or was the umpire on the committee even consulted as well as all the members on the committee consulted. Who knows. Write a letter to the MLB office and have them forward the letter to the MLBU that was on the committee at the time and see if they respond. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/118060152/marlins-reliever-carter-capps-clears-up-confusion-on-illegal-pitches/ P.S.----------That motion 'did not' prevent Tommy John surgery just in case anyone would like to know. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richvee 2,324 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 I was watching MLB network a few nights ago and they had clips of Capps throwing a bullpen session in Spring training. Leiter and Smoltz were on , and both said they would think it's illegal. They played his new bullpen session side by side with pitches from a MLB game 2 years ago, and this recent session, he was crow hoping more than ever. Literally pushing off the rubber,landing and pushing again. In the MLB game, you could make case he's dragging the foot. This week, from what I saw, it has turned into a blatant crow hop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dumbdumb 419 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Richvee said: I was watching MLB network a few nights ago and they had clips of Capps throwing a bullpen session in Spring training. Leiter and Smoltz were on , and both said they would think it's illegal. They played his new bullpen session side by side with pitches from a MLB game 2 years ago, and this recent session, he was crow hoping more than ever. Literally pushing off the rubber,landing and pushing again. In the MLB game, you could make case he's dragging the foot. This week, from what I saw, it has turned into a blatant crow hop. Is this similar to the crow hop/jump/whatever/ type situation that was made illegal in Women's Softball??? If so, in this situation, I definitely believe that train of thought wins the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerguy55 732 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, dumbdumb said: Is this similar to the crow hop type situation that was made illegal in Women's Softball??? If so, in this situation, I definitely believe that train of thought wins the day. Point of clarification - Crow Hopping has always been illegal in both women's and men's fast pitch. There are indeed umpires that ignore it, except in the most egregious cases, but it is illegal. There's a myth it's allowed in men's fast pitch, but 99% of the time the guy isn't hopping...he's just being really aggressive and throwing really hard (sometimes 80-85 mph), from only 48 feet away. And it's the same principle as has been outlined in MLB - you are not allowed to hop off the rubber, and then make a second plant/push afterwards. Having a large push and drag off the rubber is fine, even if your release point is a bit closer to the plate. Basically, if umpires see daylight between foot and ground they're (typically) going to call it. If not, they'll rule it as a legal drag. The difference is the softball pitching motion makes it very easy to fall into the drag/hop. I've never see a baseball pitcher do what Capps does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gfoley4 90 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/carter-capps-delivery-is-new-still-basically-against-the-rules/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerguy55 732 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, Gfoley4 said: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/carter-capps-delivery-is-new-still-basically-against-the-rules/ Crap...that has to be illegal...otherwise he could do that all the way to the plate before releasing the ball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richvee 2,324 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Gfoley4 said: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/carter-capps-delivery-is-new-still-basically-against-the-rules/ That;s it. That's the clip. That's not what he was doing in 2015. There's no way what he's doing this year can be legal. We'll find out soon enough, I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
udbrky 324 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/C43ntT1UMAAHAIg.mp4 http://imgur.com/a/nJiKS Edited February 18, 2017 by udbrky Ugh, I cannot figure out embedding. Guy comp'd his delivery to a triple jump Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BT_Blue 1,564 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 NCAA came out this year with a hard line stance that this is illegal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stk004 801 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I just want to be crystal clear here, This delivery with the crow hop is illegal at all levels/rulesets, no ifs ands or buts about it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
noumpere 3,245 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Stk004 said: I just want to be crystal clear here, This delivery with the crow hop is illegal at all levels/rulesets, no ifs ands or buts about it? Yes -- at least at all levels/rulesets any of us do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerguy55 732 Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 18 hours ago, Stk004 said: I just want to be crystal clear here, This delivery with the crow hop is illegal at all levels/rulesets, no ifs ands or buts about it? Except for the Professional International Tribe of Crow Hoppers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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BT_Blue 1,564 Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Crop hop? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElkOil 752 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 He jumps over corn. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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