Out for INT?

[Thunderheads]

I'm confused ............

[JaxRolo]

He missed that one. Happens.

[Thunderheads]

Even if IT DID hit him ..........would you have an out here?

[JaxRolo]

No

 

[UmpJeff]

No, you wouldn't have an out.  He was still in the box.  Foul Ball.

[noumpere]

Even if IT DID hit him ..........would you have an out here?

If it hit him once the first foot was on the ground, I think that's an out.

[maven]

If it hit him once the first foot was on the ground, I think that's an out.

Correct.

FED it would be a foul ball until both feet are out of the box.

[johnnyg08]

Very, very tough call.  I believe his mind was playing tricks on him.  I don't think he saw what he thought he saw.

[maven]

We don't want to guess on this. If we have to miss it, I'd rather miss the other way (incorrect no call rather than incorrect call).

[zoops]

Correct.

FED it would be a foul ball until both feet are out of the box.

@maven - I can't find a rule cite for that in FED?  All I found is that the batter is considered to be out of the batter's box if one foot is completely outside of the box.  

[Jimurray]

If it hit him once the first foot was on the ground, I think that's an out.

Strict reading of the OBR rule has the batter out unless he is in a legal position in the box. IE. both feet in. 

And that's how I've seen it called in MLB since the rule change. 

[Richvee]

@maven - I can't find a rule cite for that in FED?  All I found is that the batter is considered to be out of the batter's box if one foot is completely outside of the box.  

Someone correct me if I'm wrong....FED's interp is, if one foot is on the ground IN the box when the ball strikes the player (or the bat a second time) it's a foul ball, even if the other foot is on the ground outside the box. While OBR says one foot one the ground OUTSIDE the box is an out.

[Jimurray]

@Richvee

FED does not want a foot touching outside although you could make a semantic issue:

OBR requires both feet on the ground in the box.

FED 8.4.1 SITUATION B:

B1 squares to bunt and hits the pitch. The batted ball bounces off the plate and hits B1's (a) leg or, (b) bat a second time while B1 is holding the bat in the batter's box (no foot is entirely outside of the batter's box).

RULING: In (a), it is a foul ball. In (b), the ball is foul unless, in the umpire's judgment, the ball was contacted intentionally, in which case the ball would be dead and B1 declared out.

[Richvee]

@Richvee

FED does not want a foot touching outside although you could make a semantic issue:

OBR requires both feet on the ground in the box.

FED 8.4.1 SITUATION B:

B1 squares to bunt and hits the pitch. The batted ball bounces off the plate and hits B1's (a) leg or, (b) bat a second time while B1 is holding the bat in the batter's box (no foot is entirely outside of the batter's box).

RULING: In (a), it is a foul ball. In (b), the ball is foul unless, in the umpire's judgment, the ball was contacted intentionally, in which case the ball would be dead and B1 declared out.

I thought we agreed during the spring, that despite this caseplay, FED's interp was one foot on the ground in the box when a batted ball bounces up and touches a batter-runner it is a foul ball as per the release of their play pic.

[Jimurray]

I thought we agreed during the spring, that despite this caseplay, FED's interp was one foot on the ground in the box when a batted ball bounces up and touches a batter-runner it is a foul ball as per the release of their play pic.

I think that we agreed that we were confused. Anyway, OBR is both feet in the box (on the ground?) to be protected if you are going by their changed rule.

[Rich Ives]

I think that we agreed that we were confused. Anyway, OBR is both feet in the box (on the ground?) to be protected if you are going by their changed rule.

You don't have to have both feet on the ground in the box. If you did you'd be illegal as soon as you picked up your stride foot to stride.

[Jimurray]

You don't have to have both feet on the ground in the box. If you did you'd be illegal as soon as you picked up your stride foot to stride.

In OBR a batter that has both within the box when hit by a batted ball is protected and it is a foul ball. I have a question about on the ground. The MLB interference calls I've seen have been with the batter striding. Whether  the stride foot was over or out of the box I don't know. I don't like what the change has done to the old interp that we used.