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Thank you we preach this at the  FD hydrate year round Coffee,soda, and energydrinks are not hydrating50/50 water and sports or just plain old water, though drinking and carousing is good for soul and fun

It's not the carousing itself that'll bite you, Alan... It's the when. We've got guys who will show up the morning after a bender, hung over, and will try to take on a 4-game pack. They'll blearily request plate (so they think they don't have to move) or bases (so they don't have to call B&K's and manage a game), and then start leaning on the concession staff for hot dogs, Gatorades and coffee. 

Oh, and their attire? Slipshod. But hey, they do have navy (and powder too, because it might be sunny!).

And guess who gets to keep him from dying, whether by exhaustion or at the hands of an irate coach?

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I did and do feel a responsibility to my partner. He is out of the hospital by the way. I requested the 3/3 split of the plates because I knew the TD need things to run on tome. We'd never worked together before and he'd never worked for this assigner. I tried to gauge his level of preparation in communication prior to and on the day of the event. Our first three games, his plates went very quickly. We had two minimum inning run rules and one game that went about 1:45. In between games he was drinking but I didn't focus on what he was drinking between innings. If I had refuse to work with him at the start of the Championship game or insisted he get medical attention prior to trying to drive home maybe this could have been avoided. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

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I did and do feel a responsibility to my partner. He is out of the hospital by the way. I requested the 3/3 split of the plates because I knew the TD need things to run on tome. We'd never worked together before and he'd never worked for this assigner. I tried to gauge his level of preparation in communication prior to and on the day of the event. Our first three games, his plates went very quickly. We had two minimum inning run rules and one game that went about 1:45. In between games he was drinking but I didn't focus on what he was drinking between innings. If I had refuse to work with him at the start of the Championship game or insisted he get medical attention prior to trying to drive home maybe this could have been avoided. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

So Ken, ...in regards to the TD and your partners demise ....what have we learned? :wave: 

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It's not the carousing itself that'll bite you, Alan... It's the when. We've got guys who will show up the morning after a bender, hung over, and will try to take on a 4-game pack. They'll blearily request plate (so they think they don't have to move) or bases (so they don't have to call B&K's and manage a game), and then start leaning on the concession staff for hot dogs, Gatorades and coffee. 

Oh, and their attire? Slipshod. But hey, they do have navy (and powder too, because it might be sunny!).

And guess who gets to keep him from dying, whether by exhaustion or at the hands of an irate coach?

It is once in blue moon and for most part NEVER during season, did that once during 2 a days in college felt if I died would feel better lesson learned .

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I experienced heat exhaustion once.  Hot humid day, double header.  I did the plate, first game, hot & tired but no problem.  I rested & changed and drank a bunch of red Gatorade in between.  When I did the bases for the second game I felt woozy in the fourth, and blew lunch all over the 'B' position.  It was all fluid and red... people thought I was tossing up blood.

I was taken out of the game (to my naive objection) and replaced.  At that point I sat, got doused with cold water and drank a lot of water.  It was the right move to take me out, as it took about 20 minutes to recover.

My lesson:  hydrate with water only, before and during the game.  If it's a double header, continue with just water along with a banana and some healthy carbs.  Save the Sports drink until AFTER you're done.

I know different people find different ways that work for them.  This is what works for me.

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I had a tourney in July - 6 games in a row. They were 8U coach-pitch, so no gear, but it was still ridiculously hot. I drank lots of water all day. Toward the end of the last game, I stopped sweating, and it scared the crap out of me. My urine was still nearly clear, so it wasn't a lack of water. My neighbor, who is a nurse, said I *had* to get something with electrolytes when I'm out that long. (Of course, that would be the day I didn't think of bringing watermelon - see my comment above.)

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It's called Hyponatremia.

Per the Mayo Clinic:

Hyponatremia is a condition that occurs when the level of sodium in your blood is abnormally low. Sodium is an electrolyte, and it helps regulate the amount of water that's in and around your cells.

In hyponatremia, one or more factors — ranging from an underlying medical condition to drinking too much water during endurance sports — causes the sodium in your body to become diluted. When this happens, your body's water levels rise, and your cells begin to swell. This swelling can cause many health problems, from mild to life-threatening.

From what I remember in a Bio class many years ago, your heart requires a chemical reaction between sodium and potassium to beat.  Take too much of the sodium out of the equation via sweating and it becomes an issue.  @kylehutson  Your body may have responded by not sweating so that it could keep enough sodium for your heart to keep beating.  Definitely not a good situation.

I mix water and sports drinks during the hot days for this very reason.  I know they have sugar but they're not my sole source of hydration.  I take electrolyte capsules too.  You can get them at vitamin/health stores.  They're used a lot by marathon runners.

 

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It's called Hyponatremia.

Per the Mayo Clinic:

Hyponatremia is a condition that occurs when the level of sodium in your blood is abnormally low. Sodium is an electrolyte, and it helps regulate the amount of water that's in and around your cells.

In hyponatremia, one or more factors — ranging from an underlying medical condition to drinking too much water during endurance sports — causes the sodium in your body to become diluted. When this happens, your body's water levels rise, and your cells begin to swell. This swelling can cause many health problems, from mild to life-threatening.

From what I remember in a Bio class many years ago, your heart requires a chemical reaction between sodium and potassium to beat.  Take too much of the sodium out of the equation via sweating and it becomes an issue.  @kylehutson  Your body may have responded by not sweating so that it could keep enough sodium for your heart to keep beating.  Definitely not a good situation.

I mix water and sports drinks during the hot days for this very reason.  I know they have sugar but they're not my sole source of hydration.  I take electrolyte capsules too.  You can get them at vitamin/health stores.  They're used a lot by marathon runners.

 

The ol' Sodium-Potassium pump.  Yes, it's critical.  a 50/50 mix of Gatorade and water is an effective solution.  Also, don't forget to eat, especialy on those long days.

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I worked a youth tournament on Saturday with a new partner from out of town. We were scheduled for six games so we split the plates three and three. He had the first three. By the 2nd inning of game four my partner was sweating excessively, cramping and finally vomiting. We got him off the field and cooled off. A buddy stepped in and worked the bases for the remainder of game four and all of game five. For the championship game, that started about 8:30 PM, my original partner insisted he was ok to work. By the top of the 2nd, he was cramping again and quickly started vomiting again. He was replaced and we completed the game. Last night I spoke with my partner who is in a hospital with sever renal failure from dehydration. He was fortunate enough to have been picked up by LEOs off the highway after blacking out on the way home and bouncing off a guard rail. They tell him he will be released in a day or two and should make a full recovery. Not everyone has to deal with the extreme heat of August in Phoenix but we all have to be careful and take heat related illnesses more seriously then most do. The problem itself prevents you from making good decisions. I'm hopeful some of us can learn from this poor guy's troubles. I should have insisted he was done after the first issue. I should have made sure he had medical attention after the second problem and that he not be allowed to drive alone. I will request we work share during heat like this and bring in a couple of umpiring crews to split the games. As background, last year at this event an umpire left the park to drive home with heat problems and had to stop. He was escorted to a hospital and received seven IV bags of fluids. Earlier in the day Saturday we had an umpire pass out at the plate and have to be replaced. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

I know of what you speak.  I live in the Coachella Valley and we have the same weather.  I also preach to the umpires to start pounding the water two days before you do a game.  I personally will not work more than three games in a day.  I don't care what anybody says, it is a danger to you and your judgement starts to deteriorate after too much time on the field.  If it is cooler out you still need to pound the old water.  When I first moved to the desert I thought it was so neat that I wasn't sweating.  You do sweat as I had a salt line on my under shirt and hat.  Stay safe out there.  It's just baseball and not worth your life.

 

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We've talked about hydration on this site enough, so I think we all know what to do but ....let me, if I may, point something out. (And, this is not directed at KenBAZ either ....)

Why on God's green earth would anyone do 3 plate games IN A ROW in Arizona, in August ....that's just stupid.   First of all, accepting 6 games in that type of heat is silly to begin with, but doing 3 plates in a row? :HS

Kenbaz was dropped on his head.

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I've seen lots of these young men in their twenties umpires show up to do 4,5, or 6 games with only a few bottles of water. I've seen more than one drop. Its why I always keep a big cooler of frozen water in my trunk. In between games I've always got cold water and salty peanut butter snacks to hand out to whoever needs it.

Got to be a Mom.

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Three of us were working a tournament, rotating two-man crews.  I was off on this one particular game when my partner called over to me to bring some water to them on the field.  As I'm walking it out there, he says, "Joe [our third man] didn't bring any water with him."  It was blazing hot that day and this struck me not just odd, but plain stupid.

By this time, Joe was walking over to us.  So my other partner Bob says, "Ask Joe what happened the last time he forgot to bring water."

Okay, I'll bite.  "What happened?" I asked.

Joe said, "I had to get taken off the field in an ambulance because I was dehydrated.  I had kidney failure and now I'm diabetic."

"You would think," I said, "that after that you'd never again forget to bring water."

Bob said, "Yeah, you'd think that."  Joe just shrugged.  

The moral of the story is clear, but for crying out loud, engage your brain and plan for these kinds of days.  My key to success is to bring lots of water and Gatorade in a 50/50 mix.  I keep a 5-gallon cooler in my truck and fill up a 1/2 gallon cooler to bring on to the field.  I also bring a small cooler filled with ice water and a towel, which i soak my head, neck and chest with between innings.  Doing that keeps things manageable in 100+ degree days.

If I'm working the plate I will also dump cold water down the front and back of my neck so it will run don my back and chest.

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The ol' Sodium-Potassium pump.  Yes, it's critical.  a 50/50 mix of Gatorade and water is an effective solution.  Also, don't forget to eat, especialy on those long days.

Good point on the eating.  Very critical.  Just not on the field during play.  Had a partner eating a banana while in the b position during the MSBL tournament.

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Good point on the eating.  Very critical.  Just not on the field during play.  Had a partner eating a banana while in the b position during the MSBL tournament.

Oh, boy.

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Working the Under Armour tournament a couple of weeks ago, it was pretty warm (96 when we arrived) and muggy (for CA).  One of the TD's would bring out a cold, wet towel as well as cold water and gatorade between innings for the PU.  It was a hell of a nice treat.  My partner kept the towel wrapped around his neck (under his shirt) for a couple of innings to keep cool.

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 Especially those folks ( @HokieUmp, @LRZ, etc.) who want to have a "gentleman's duel" over my (and others) issue with their fondness with one navy shirt. 

.....

 

It's all contextual, @HokieUmp... I'm not trying to pick a conflict with you. You'll probably say that you're not one to take on mega-tournaments of 16 games in 3 days, that you take one (or two) prestigious games per day. Your own choice of navy works for that context, then bless you and have a good game. You probably look dashing in navy! We write on U-E not only for our own purposes, but for the benefit of the community, and I hope that other umpires, looking to take on a tournament weekend read this and other posts on this topic. They need to understand preparedness and flexibility (to adapt to the conditions and to take the advice of those who are experienced) are essential.

You know, one of life's rules is "when someone says 'I'm not saying....' they're definitely 'saying.'"  For a guy not trying to pick a conflict, you are doing a swell job of it, mate.

Thanks for taking my like of a single color, and - between that thread and here - deduct that I own one shirt and/or I'm a smitty.  That's coach-think, man, and it's horse-bleep.  For future reference, don't feel the need to invoke my name all over the site when you want to make your points on umpiring or whatevs. 

Will I work 16 games in 3 days?  No, because there's no one - NO ONE - that's gonna be at their best, or even good enough, on that schedule.  Well-hydrated?  Maybe.  At preferred levels of performance across the entire day?  Nope.

I've worked several seven or eight day tourneys, with 2-3 games per day, but nearly always with time off in between games.  People want to do 4+ a day, and in places that shouldn't actually even be inhabited by humans, never mind play sports in?  We'll remember you fondly on the "In Memoriam" thread.

But yes:  hydrate;  take in food - as your system allows/doesn't allow;  use shade when you can;  don't be a hero in games per day;  try and take time between games.

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I just finished a MSBL game. After counting today I determined that it was my 308th game of 2015. Maybe I was dropped on my head. SWMBO is convinced that must be the case. Someone asked what I learned about the TD and I understand it would be easy to blame him for my partner's heat problems. Remember, we also had another umpire pass out on the field at last week's event. However, I have chosen to umpire that many games this year. To risk head injury, broken bones, and heat related problems. I don't need the money from so many games. I'm doing fine with the income from my first job. Beyond my love of baseball and umpiring is my relationship with my assigners. This TD is one of my primary assigners. He's also a former Pro umpire that's taught me a lot. His #2 is one of my best friends. I feel a real obligation to him. I just need help figuring where to draw the line when it comes to my safety and my brother umpires safety. I'd like the option to work share games with more umpires. I'd like more time between games in the heat. I also think having medical resources available at hot weather events would be a good idea. I'd really appreciate others ideas as I understand I may not be seeing things as I should for my own best interest. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

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I just finished a MSBL game. After counting today I determined that it was my 308th game of 2015. Maybe I was dropped on my head. SWMBO is convinced that must be the case. Someone asked what I learned about the TD and I understand it would be easy to blame him for my partner's heat problems. Remember, we also had another umpire pass out on the field at last week's event. However, I have chosen to umpire that many games this year. To risk head injury, broken bones, and heat related problems. I don't need the money from so many games. I'm doing fine with the income from my first job. Beyond my love of baseball and umpiring is my relationship with my assigners. This TD is one of my primary assigners. He's also a former Pro umpire that's taught me a lot. His #2 is one of my best friends. I feel a real obligation to him. I just need help figuring where to draw the line when it comes to my safety and my brother umpires safety. I'd like the option to work share games with more umpires. I'd like more time between games in the heat. I also think having medical resources available at hot weather events would be a good idea. I'd really appreciate others ideas as I understand I may not be seeing things as I should for my own best interest. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

That was me Ken, I'm the one who asked what you learned.

Here's what I would have learned.  Great friend or not, ...in extreme temperatures, NEVER under ANY circumstance take 6 games, LET ALONE do 3 in plates in a row!!  Friend or not, .... you simply say "no" ...it's not healthy, and ... I don't care what the schedule is  ... we are switching/rotating plate and bases between each game because of the heat.

Personally, ... if this guy was a former Pro, then he should know better.  I'm glad you survived it, but that's way too dangerous

(this post is coming from a good place :) )

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I don't think twice about lots of games in a day.  I've done 8 baseball games (younger levels), 8 basketball games (then went and played in another one) 8 football games and 10 softball games.  Keep hydrated is key no matter what the temperature is.

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What we do in Northern Maine in April, when school ball starts, is go behind the backstop and grab some snow if we start to over heat.

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