I think I kicked one. TOP vs TOT

[hill2933]

High fly to F6 who drops the ball. BR had already rounded 1st and was half way to 2nd. F6 tries to pick up the ball and throw behind BR returning to 1st. Throw bounces into dugout. I was thinking the catch constituted the first play and awarded 3rd. Since it was "first throw" by infielder should have only awarded 2nd. My issue would be a situation where throwing a ball into DBT would benefit the defense. Like R1 breaking on pitch passes 2nd and on the way to third at the drop fielder could throw it away to keep him at 3rd.

[johnnyg08]

I think you got lucky and got it right.  

 

Once the BR reaches first base at the point of the first throw, it becomes a TOT award.  

 

You are right...that the dropped fly ball in not considered a play.  

[hill2933]

Better to be lucky than good.

[johnnyg08]

Better to be lucky than good.

 

Got that right.

[kstrunk]

I think you got lucky and got it right.  

 

Once the BR reaches first base at the point of the first throw, it becomes a TOT award.  

 

You are right...that the dropped fly ball in not considered a play.  

I'm confused about why the dropped fly is NOT a play? Not disputing, seeking information. Does a play require a throw?

[johnnyg08]

A "play" for umpiring purposes is different from the shortstop to makes a diving catch of a line drive in the hole. "Hey nice play #12"  

 

For umpiring purposes, a play is an attempt to retire a runner.  See this definition from the MLBUM:

 

 

[hill2933]

I think you got lucky and got it right.  

 

Once the BR reaches first base at the point of the first throw, it becomes a TOT award.  

 

You are right...that the dropped fly ball in not considered a play.

Where is the rule that states this. I have been talking about it and can't find it. Just want to make sure I can explain it if it happens again.

[James Walker]

7.05 (g) Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds into the field), or over or under or through a field fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the back- stop, or remains in the meshes of a wire screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead. When such wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the umpire, in award- ing such bases, shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the umpire shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made;

APPROVED RULING: If all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when an infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after the pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.

EDIT: Didn't see this was in the High School section... Obviously this is OBR, not sure of the FED cite.

[jkumpire]

FED definition of 'Play':

 

2-29-1:

 

ART. 1 . . . "Play" is the order given by the umpire when it is time for the game to begin, or to be resumed after having been suspended when he called "time." The term is also used to denote a unit of action which begins when a pitcher has the ball in his possession in pitching position and ends when ball becomes dead or pitcher again holds the ball while in pitching position.

 

That is why you don't see it, FED does not define 'play' like OBR does. It defines it in every other way possible, but not to help easily explain your problem.