Base Coach Interference

[chalen]

NFHS rules. R1, no outs. The batter hits a towering fly ball to shallow centerfield. R1 stays on 1B. The first-base coach, seeing the full-speed batter-runner might pass R1, reaches out and grabs BR and slows him down. The ball falls uncaught. F8 flips the ball to F6 who steps on the bag for an expected force out. F6 does not tag R1, then R1 slides into 2B.

Per 3-3-2, the BR will be out for interference, and there is a delayed dead ball. Any outs made on the play stand, and any runners return to TOI base. So, is the BR's out effective immediately, thereby eliminating the force out at 2B, so R1 will be returned to 1B? Or is the BR's out assessed only after action ends, in which case R1 is forced out?

[johnnyg08]

BR is out immediately, but the ball remains live.  R1 returns to 1B, the TOI base.

[chalen]

Based on what, johnyg08?

[johnnyg08]

I'm not sure I understand your question.

[chalen]

I meant, is there a rule or interpretation I could cite to a coach or protest committee, supporting the fact that the out is immediate? The rule is unclear.

Then I found Case Book 3.2.2.B, another base-coach interference example, which states the out is "immediate", so I think that is it. Thanks!

[maven]

I meant, is there a rule or interpretation I could cite to a coach or protest committee, supporting the fact that the out is immediate? The rule is unclear.

Then I found Case Book 3.2.2.B, another base-coach interference example, which states the out is "immediate", so I think that is it. Thanks!

 

When is an out delayed? You can delay a dead ball, and you can eject a player after playing action. Outs are immediate.

[Magic]

What Maven said. R1 returns to the base he had attained at the time of Interference. In this case 1st base.

[johnnyg08]

 

I meant, is there a rule or interpretation I could cite to a coach or protest committee, supporting the fact that the out is immediate? The rule is unclear.

Then I found Case Book 3.2.2.B, another base-coach interference example, which states the out is "immediate", so I think that is it. Thanks!

 

When is an out delayed? You can delay a dead ball, and you can eject a player after playing action. Outs are immediate.

 

 

It might not be announced until a moment or two later, but the announcement of the out is different from when the actual out occurs.   As others have stated.  

[johnnyg08]

Curious, who's doing all of the work to defend a correct call on the field?  

 

The umpire or the protester?  

[chalen]

Thanks, guys, it is clear to me now. I wish the rule was written more clearly. In 3-2-2,

 

PENALTY: The ball is dead at the end of playing action. The involved batter-runner or runner is out and any additional outs made on the play stand.

 

some people interpret those sentences as sequential steps. Better would be:

 

PENALTY: The involved batter-runner or runner is out. The ball is dead at the end of playing action. Any additional outs made on the play stand...

[maven]

Thanks, guys, it is clear to me now. I wish the rule was written more clearly. In 3-2-2,

 

PENALTY: The ball is dead at the end of playing action. The involved batter-runner or runner is out and any additional outs made on the play stand.

 

some people interpret those sentences as sequential steps. Better would be:

 

PENALTY: The involved batter-runner or runner is out. The ball is dead at the end of playing action. Any additional outs made on the play stand...

 

If there were any play in baseball where the out is delayed, I might be inclined to agree that confusion is possible here.

[basejester]

 

If there were any play in baseball where the out is delayed, I might be inclined to agree that confusion is possible here.

 

Infield fly if fair?

[johnnyg08]

 

Thanks, guys, it is clear to me now. I wish the rule was written more clearly. In 3-2-2,

 

PENALTY: The ball is dead at the end of playing action. The involved batter-runner or runner is out and any additional outs made on the play stand.

 

some people interpret those sentences as sequential steps. Better would be:

 

PENALTY: The involved batter-runner or runner is out. The ball is dead at the end of playing action. Any additional outs made on the play stand...

 

If there were any play in baseball where the out is delayed, I might be inclined to agree that confusion is possible here.

 

 

I don't think that by definition an appeal is a play either.  

[maven]

If there were any play in baseball where the out is delayed, I might be inclined to agree that confusion is possible here.

Infield fly if fair?

Nope. Out immediately upon being an infield fly. The call, not the out, is delayed.

maven