Granting time-out for runners

[basejester]

See poll.  Not the first time for this discussion, I know.

 

[Pete Peterson Sr]

I don't call time for a fielder to throw the ball back to his pitcher, either.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

I only give runner TIME if his slide and/or contact with the defender has left him in an awkward position that puts him in jeopardy.  Otherwise, he's on his own.  If he can't walk himself up, he deserves to get tagged out.

 

Few things drive me crazier than working with a partner who grants TIME on all these requests.

[blue23ll]

Do you guys call time out to brush off the dirty base? 

[spiritump]

for guys who voted no-- a question. If the runner ask for time and you say no, and the fielder stays there and keeps the tag on the runner as he is trying to get up and some how the runner slips, falls , gets pushed off-- are you then going to call the runner out.

[Replacematt]

for guys who voted no-- a question. If the runner ask for time and you say no, and the fielder stays there and keeps the tag on the runner as he is trying to get up and some how the runner slips, falls , gets pushed off-- are you then going to call the runner out.

 

Yep.

[blue23ll]

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

[Replacematt]

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

 

Why? If the runner put himself in a position where he may be put out in trying to get up, the defense has a right to exploit the opportunity.

[blue23ll]

Because the runners get in the way of brushing off the dirty base!!

 

 

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

 

Why? If the runner put himself in a position where he may be put out in trying to get up, the defense has a right to exploit the opportunity.

 

How long will you let the fielder hold the ball on the runner waiting for that "opportunity"? 

[Replacematt]

Because the runners get in the way of brushing off the dirty base!!

 

 

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

 

Why? If the runner put himself in a position where he may be put out in trying to get up, the defense has a right to exploit the opportunity.

 

How long will you let the fielder hold the ball on the runner waiting for that "opportunity"? 

As long as it takes for the runner to either be put out or gain the bag. This isn't a case where the runner is standing on the bag and the defense is refusing to throw it back.

[blue23ll]

Of course it is, that's what we are talking about. The runner has the bag, and the fielder is hovering over him waiting for him to move to stand up...

[spiritump]

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

why put yourself in the situation to have the coach (RAT) say "do not tell my players what to do" just call time when asked, let the runner get up and get the game going.

[blue23ll]

I just choose to do that without calling time out. Either way, they aren't getting an out. And a coach can be upset all he wants, I really don't care. 

[spiritump]

Because the runners get in the way of brushing off the dirty base!!

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

 

Why? If the runner put himself in a position where he may be put out in trying to get up, the defense has a right to exploit the opportunity.

once the runner is safe and ask for time he already gained the bag--let him get up

How long will you let the fielder hold the ball on the runner waiting for that "opportunity"?

As long as it takes for the runner to either be put out or gain the bag. This isn't a case where the runner is standing on the bag and the defense is refusing to throw it back.

[Replacematt]

Of course it is, that's what we are talking about. The runner has the bag, and the fielder is hovering over him waiting for him to move to stand up...

 

No, he doesn't. I'm not protecting him if he can't get to his feet without losing contact.

[spiritump]

Because the runners get in the way of brushing off the dirty base!!

I tell the fielder, "let him up, let's get going!!"

 

Why? If the runner put himself in a position where he may be put out in trying to get up, the defense has a right to exploit the opportunity.

once the runner is safe and ask for time he already gained the bag--let him get up

How long will you let the fielder hold the ball on the runner waiting for that "opportunity"?

As long as it takes for the runner to either be put out or gain the bag. This isn't a case where the runner is standing on the bag and the defense is refusing to throw it back.

let him get up

[blue23ll]

In my situation he does have the bag, and the fielder is waiting for him to get up to try to get a cheap out and tag him. 

[Replacematt]

In my situation he does have the bag, and the fielder is waiting for him to get up to try to get a cheap out and tag him. 

 

We weren't talking about your situation. We were talking about spiritump's.

[blue23ll]

Of course, if the play is still in progress and the runner has not gained control of his body or the base, I'm not granting the runner time either. 

 

In my situation he does have the bag, and the fielder is waiting for him to get up to try to get a cheap out and tag him. 

 

We weren't talking about your situation. We were talking about spiritump's.

 

See my response above about spirits situation. 

[spiritump]

I just choose to do that without calling time out. Either way, they aren't getting an out. And a coach can be upset all he wants, I really don't care.

not trying to be a ass but if you are not getting a out -may I ask why, the ball was still in play (because time was not called)--what rule will you sight when the coach ask why is he not out. Just give the time signal let the runner get up and play ball

[James Walker]

I just choose to do that without calling time out. Either way, they aren't getting an out. And a coach can be upset all he wants, I really don't care.

not trying to be a ass but if you are not getting a out -may I ask why, the ball was still in play (because time was not called)--what rule will you sight when the coach ask why is he not out. Just give the time signal let the runner get up and play ball

I'm not going to give the short stop time to give/or throw the ball back to the pitcher, I'm not calling time for little Johnny to stand up. If you call time, you take opportunity from both sides.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

Common sense and consistency need to take charge here.  Apparently, these concepts are foreign to some posters.

 

Has the runner's slide and/or contact with the infielder put him in an awkward position where it would be reasonable to think he's going to have difficulty 'walking up' without losing contact with the bag?  If YES, then I'm going to grant him TIME.  If NO, then I'm not.

 

Am I going to stand there half the day while the infielder holds the tag on the runner?  No, I'm going to say something to the infielder "Ok son.  How 'bout we get the ball back to the pitcher some time today."

 

My pet peeve is with guys who grant TIME on every slide, every tag and every pickoff attempt.  This robs BOTH teams of potential opportunities and delays the game unnecessarily. 

 

Lots of coaches (especially at lower levels) teach their kids to immediately ask for 'time', and/or the base coach is asking for 'time' after every play.  It's akin to coaches who want their infielders to ask for 'time' so they can throw the ball back to the pitcher.

 

Once you've denied these frivolous requests a couple of times, they'll realize that you're not one of 'those guys', and they'll quit asking.

[Replacematt]

Common sense and consistency need to take charge here.  Apparently, these concepts are foreign to some posters.

 

Has the runner's slide and/or contact with the infielder put him in an awkward position where it would be reasonable to think he's going to have difficulty 'walking up' without losing contact with the bag?  If YES, then I'm going to grant him TIME.  If NO, then I'm not.

 

Hope you give the defense a smoke after you're done F*#King them.

[grayhawk]

This isn't difficult stuff, folks.  Use common sense to guide your actions here.  Expect the runner to be able to get to his feet without granting time.  Expect the defense to give him an opportunity to do so without holding a tag forever.  This isn't something I ever experience at the high school level - even freshmen.

 

Asking for time to get up or holding a tag way too long is in the domain of 12U and below.  Expect the runner and fielder to act like baseball players at this level too.

[Magic]

I do some 12u and below ball. I usually let the fielder hold the tag on the runner once or twice. By the 3rd time though I have grown tired of it. And I will politely say let's go son. And if he does it again I will be a little more matter if fact, son we don't need to do that on every pick off attempt. As far as granting time? I only do it if I see blood or I know the kid got hit or there is an injury. Other than that, the kid has to learn to get up on his own.