Guest Bob Report post Posted June 8, 2014 On a squeeze play my runner was coming home from third. The catcher dove back toward the plate with the ball in their hand. The runner stepped on top of the hand holding the ball. What should the call be? (The umpire ruled the runner out,) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 scrounge 1,243 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 On a squeeze play my runner was coming home from third. The catcher dove back toward the plate with the ball in their hand. The runner stepped on top of the hand holding the ball. What should the call be? (The umpire ruled the runner out,) So the runner was touched by a hand with the ball prior to touching the base? Sounds like an out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 JaxRolo 3,196 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 maven 4,432 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Why would that not be an out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 grayhawk 3,569 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Jocko 2,593 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Out everyday and twice on Sunday. How else COULD he have ruled it? An accidental tag is still a tag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matt 1,347 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Out everyday and twice on Sunday. How else COULD he have ruled it? An accidental tag is still a tag.Unless it's on an appeal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Jocko 2,593 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Out everyday and twice on Sunday. How else COULD he have ruled it? An accidental tag is still a tag.Unless it's on an appeal. it's still a tag. Just not an appeal ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 DVA7130 198 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 noumpere 2,935 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 What should the call be? "Trainer!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Stan W. 599 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 OUT_OUT_OUT_OUT_OUT_OUT!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 SoCal Lurker 114 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact. I don't think whether the catcher drops the ball or not has any relevance to whether this is MC. MC is based on whether the play was "malicious." If it was, and the catcher holds the ball, it's still MC and an EJ. If it wasn't, in other words, just an unfortunate event as the runner was trying to reach the plate, then the fact the catcher dropped the ball is irrelevant, just as it would be if the catcher dropped the ball when a runner slid into him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matt 1,347 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact.The only things relevant to MC are the runner's actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 FleasOf1000Camels 280 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 It seems to me there is only ONE question to answer here. What did the runner touch FIRST...the plate or the glove that was holding the ball? If he touched the glove first, how could there be any doubt?...OUT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 DVA7130 198 Report post Posted June 11, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact.The only things relevant to MC are the runner's actions. My reasoning being that you could still get the out. ->This play is an out<- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 th3 279 Report post Posted June 11, 2014 out and ouch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 noumpere 2,935 Report post Posted June 11, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact. There needs to be some intent for there to be MC -- and I certainly didn't read any of that into the OP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matt 1,347 Report post Posted June 11, 2014 And if the catcher dropped the ball, there is a good case for Malicious Contact.The only things relevant to MC are the runner's actions.My reasoning being that you could still get the out.No, you can't. If a runner is doing what he is supposed to and the fielder drops the ball, you don't have an out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 DVA7130 198 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 OP did not state intent, so I can assume/imagine however I like.I understand MALICIOUS contact.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Thunderheads 2,700 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 OP did not state intent, so I can assume/imagine however I like. I understand MALICIOUS contact.. Not sure how on earth MC came into this post but it doesn't fit ........... anyone have anything else here? I think we've established this as an out, yes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 maven 4,432 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 OP did not state intent, so I can assume/imagine however I like. I understand MALICIOUS contact.. I guess you could assume he stabbed him with a knife on the way by, but that wouldn't be terribly helpful or advance our understanding of the case much. I think @Matt's point was that we don't want to conclude MC based solely on the ball coming out. I'm not sure you meant to suggest that, but your post could be reasonably interpreted that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 SoCal Lurker 114 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 OP did not state intent, so I can assume/imagine however I like. Dang. . . we're gonna get some long posts now when people ask questions . . . . On a squeeze play my runner was coming home from third he did not punch the third baseman before he left adn did not abaondon the base path before continuing on. The pitcher did not balk and the cathcer caught the ball only after it passed the plate. It was not strike three with two outs; nor was it ball four with the bases loaded. Without having been interfered with by the batter or the umpire, The catcher dove back toward the plate with the ball in their hand and did not malisciously act toward the runner or obstruct the runner withou the ball. The runner (who did not recieve physical assistance from either the batter or the thrid base coached) stepped on top of the hand holding the ball without maliscious intent, without hurtling the catcher, while simply trying to step on home plate. The catcher did not drop the ball, and did not come up swinging at the runner after being stepped on. What should the call be? (The umpire ruled the runner out,) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
On a squeeze play my runner was coming home from third. The catcher dove back toward the plate with the ball in their hand. The runner stepped on top of the hand holding the ball. What should the call be?
(The umpire ruled the runner out,)
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