Hard tag

[hill2933]

JV game VT gives up 4 runs without getting an out in the 4th. Bases loaded b5 hits ball to left center scoring R2 and R3. R1 goes to third and B5 rounds first since F3 is cut off man at the mound. Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base. Coaches and fans all chirping but I dont think it would have been malicious contact. I stepped over to F6 and told him "that won't happen again." I went to my partner and told him what I had at the end of the inning but never notified the coach that I given a warning. Next half inning F6 comes up to bat and of course gets HBP. Did not look intentional at all (pitcher could not find the zone with a map) and F6 gets half way to first then turns around and starts making a "come on" gesture to the catcher. I did call time then and give a loud verbal warning to the player and the coach. I feel like he should have been run for the unsportsmanlike gesture after the initial warning but it would have been an s-storm if we ejected without a verbal warning. Rest of the game was sketchy but felt like we did a good job of keeping it under control. Guess I learned a lesson in game managment.

[Replacematt]

You don't have to warn to eject.

[hill2933]

I dont feel like either act by itself would have warranted an ejection but after the first one the second probably should have. I think if I handled the initial one better there would more than like not been a second. If it still happened I would have had no issue with dumping him. The game did clean up some after the warning was issued.

[BalkHawk]

A hard tag and a hbp; sounds like the game sorting itself out.

[johnnyg08]

Dump him.  I promise you he's been warned before.

[Lala]

Dump him.  I promise you he's been warned before.

Totally agree.  And with it being a new crew umping their games night to night its just warning after warning after warning and he never learns.  Its certainly not your fault (or the other umpires) because in that particular situation the warnings are appropriate.  But over time, they just pile on and the kid never learns.  

[Dash Riprock]

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

[hill2933]

 

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

 

I have replayed it in my head over and over and don't feel an EJ would have been justified on the tag. There is much more contact on tag plays all the time this one was just late. I would not eject a kid on the same tag to get an out. It was unneccesary but not sure I could make it malicious.

[ricka56]

 

 

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

 

I have replayed it in my head over and over and don't feel an EJ would have been justified on the tag. There is much more contact on tag plays all the time this one was just late. I would not eject a kid on the same tag to get an out. It was unneccesary but not sure I could make it malicious.

 

Pissed off big brother chases the little brother around the house. Mom tells them to stop right there. The big brother is hoping the little brother heeds mom's commands so that he can have a free shot. A hot headed F6 knows he's gonna have a free shot when BR gets to 1B. If that's what you have, dump F6.

[Dash Riprock]

 

 

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

 

I have replayed it in my head over and over and don't feel an EJ would have been justified on the tag. There is much more contact on tag plays all the time this one was just late. I would not eject a kid on the same tag to get an out. It was unneccesary but not sure I could make it malicious.

 

My response is based on a hard tag "well after" the runner reached the base.  That is not a play.  The tag was unnecessary but maybe not malicious.  I'm dumping him for being an a$$hole, not for malicious contact.  If there is bad blood between two teams, the message I want to get across is there will be zero tolerance for juvenile BS.

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

 

I have replayed it in my head over and over and don't feel an EJ would have been justified on the tag. There is much more contact on tag plays all the time this one was just late. I would not eject a kid on the same tag to get an out. It was unneccesary but not sure I could make it malicious.

 

My response is based on a hard tag "well after" the runner reached the base.  That is not a play.  The tag was unnecessary but maybe not malicious.  I'm dumping him for being an a$$hole, not for malicious contact.  If there is bad blood between two teams, the message I want to get across is there will be zero tolerance for juvenile BS.

 

 

Can I use that in my next report? "Jonestown manager Jim Jones ejected for being an a$$hole."

[Dash Riprock]

 

 

 

Can I use that in my next report? "Jonestown manager Jim Jones ejected for being an a$$hole."

 

Are you suggesting you would ignore this incident?

[bam]

 

 

 

Throw goes to F6 who chases B5 all the way back to first and slaps a hard tag on well after he reached he base.

"Slaps a hard tag on well after he reached the base?"  Dump him on the spot.  Clean that up right away or it WILL escalate.  No warnings.

 

I have replayed it in my head over and over and don't feel an EJ would have been justified on the tag. There is much more contact on tag plays all the time this one was just late. I would not eject a kid on the same tag to get an out. It was unneccesary but not sure I could make it malicious.

 

Pissed off big brother chases the little brother around the house. Mom tells them to stop right there. The big brother is hoping the little brother heeds mom's commands so that he can have a free shot. A hot headed F6 knows he's gonna have a free shot when BR gets to 1B. If that's what you have, dump F6.

 

Wait.  The brothers play on different teams?  And their mother is there?  

 

How embarrassing!  

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

Can I use that in my next report? "Jonestown manager Jim Jones ejected for being an a$$hole."

 

Are you suggesting you would ignore this incident?

 

 

No, I was making a joke as how it would look in an incident report if I used what you said literally. You know what would happen if being an a$$hole was a stand-alone criteria for ejection.

[BigUmpire]

Umpire bumper sticker from the great one:

 

"You will only regret the ejection you missed"-.mstaylor

[Dash Riprock]

 

 

 

 

Can I use that in my next report? "Jonestown manager Jim Jones ejected for being an a$$hole."

 

Are you suggesting you would ignore this incident?

 

 

No, I was making a joke as how it would look in an incident report if I used what you said literally. You know what would happen if being an a$$hole was a stand-alone criteria for ejection.

 

That's what I thought, just making sure.  You strike me as the type of umpire who cleans up little problems before they become big ones.

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

 

 

Can I use that in my next report? "Jonestown manager Jim Jones ejected for being an a$$hole."

 

Are you suggesting you would ignore this incident?

 

 

No, I was making a joke as how it would look in an incident report if I used what you said literally. You know what would happen if being an a$$hole was a stand-alone criteria for ejection.

 

That's what I thought, just making sure.  You strike me as the type of umpire who cleans up little problems before they become big ones.

 

 

I try to keep my problem-fixed to problem-created ratio above 1.