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Just thought I would start a new thread on this mask instead of Hijacking the Mask Porn thread.

 

After many years of designing, prototyping and testing, Force3 is proud to introduce the next generation of baseball face masks, the Force3 Defender.  The Defender is truly an amazing technological creation that will revolutionize equipment forever.  Independent tests conducted by one of the four independent National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment (NOCSAE) approved testing facilities in the world, concluded that nothing comes close to the protection as the Defender.  With virtually the same footprint of a traditional mask, the Defender’s patent pending technology reduces the Severity Index of most impacts by up to 50% in most cases.

G-Forces were also reduced with impressive results.  Tests included impacts by 70mph softballs (NOCSAE standard), and 100mph baseballs (results available upon request).  Currently the Boston Red Sox and Atlanta Braves are early adopters of the mask, and have several within each organization.

 

Features:

 

- Lightweight tubular chrome alloy

- Patent pending dual mask system with the Shock Suspension System (S3) built in 

- Single bar construction for optimal view

- Unequal Kevlar lined padding

- 4 different high-impact foam padding construction with special memory comfort foam on chin and sides

- Powder coated for superior finish

- Weighs less than 29oz.

- Pads available in Black, Navy, Royal, Red.  Will also offer Maroon and Green in the near future.

- Includes nylon carrying bag ($9.95 value)

 

- EXTENDED LIMITED LIFETIME GUARANTEE!!!

  We will replace, refurbish, or fix your mask after normal game impacts, up to 3 times within 5 years   

  of purchase of your mask for only $99 each time. *Details available upon request, and included with    

  every mask.

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29 ounces seems a bit high

 

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What???

 

 EXTENDED LIMITED LIFETIME GUARANTEE!!!

  We will replace, refurbish, or fix your mask after normal game impacts, up to 3 times within 5 years   

  of purchase of your mask for only $99 each time. *Details available upon request, and included with    

  every mask

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I saw the photos of this mask about a month ago and wasn't very impressed. Now that it's out with all the details, I'm even less impressed. It would appear you're stuck with their padding, too. No thanks.

It's like the Nike masks, everyone wants one because you can't buy them. I talked to a catcher over the weekend. Offered to trade him or buy it from him. He asked me why I wanted it so bad. I really didn't have an answer besides it looks cool. He told me it's no better than any other mask he's had and doesn't know what the big deal is about them. I picked it up once and my mask is lighter anyway.

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I saw the photos of this mask about a month ago and wasn't very impressed. Now that it's out with all the details, I'm even less impressed. It would appear you're stuck with their padding, too. No thanks.

It's like the Nike masks, everyone wants one because you can't buy them. I talked to a catcher over the weekend. Offered to trade him or buy it from him. He asked me why I wanted it so bad. I really didn't have an answer besides it looks cool. He told me it's no better than any other mask he's had and doesn't know what the big deal is about them. I picked it up once and my mask is lighter anyway.

Look out ...  Jason on the equipment board w/ some insight!! :D:nod::wave:

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What will it retail for?  If it costs 99 bucks to fix, the purchase price has to be astronomical.

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$199 unless you are an ABUA member, then it's $179.

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So, ... $199 .........  game 2 with it, ...........you ding it ..........it bends,.... something happens to it,.... you're going to pay $99 to have it fixed?

 

Uhmmmm, .... that's not a Warranty

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I saw the photos of this mask about a month ago and wasn't very impressed. Now that it's out with all the details, I'm even less impressed. It would appear you're stuck with their padding, too. No thanks.

It's like the Nike masks, everyone wants one because you can't buy them. I talked to a catcher over the weekend. Offered to trade him or buy it from him. He asked me why I wanted it so bad. I really didn't have an answer besides it looks cool. He told me it's no better than any other mask he's had and doesn't know what the big deal is about them. I picked it up once and my mask is lighter anyway.

 

Good catch!

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I missed the weight.  < 29 oz. ?  So that means 28+ oz.?  One and 3/4 lbs.  Interesting.

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I think it is an interesting concept integrating the shock absorption that people like in the Shock FX HSM into a traditional mask. But I am not a fan of the look and the weight. I'm hoping that 29oz is a typo.

 

It will be interesting to see how well this mask does.

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To all you guys who weigh and compare mask weights.....

 

What does a 28/29 oz mask compare to in terms of other brands/models/styles of masks?  Obviously the trend toward lighter masks with the magnesium, Titanium, hollow wire aluminum, etc. such as Diamond iX3, Various Ti models from other manufacturers, etc. does not compare.  But, What does a Wilson A3009 Dynalite with leather wraparounds and a visor weigh.  Some of the other Honig's and +POS masks not made to be ultralight.  Just some comparisons is what I am looking for.

 

i.e.- My first backup mask was a Honig's double bar mask that I put tan leather Wilson traditional pads and a visor on.  It was notably heavier in weight than my Wilson Cro-Moly New View low-profile with traditional or wraparound leather pads.  Neither could compare to my low-profile Ti with any kind of leather pads either. 

 

Just wondering?

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Kinda weird that the ABUA site has it but Force 3 does not.  Some kind of webmaster/web hosting problem I am sure.  

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Kinda weird that the ABUA site has it but Force 3 does not.  Some kind of webmaster/web hosting problem I am sure.  

OR...... It's ABUA's 4/1 Joke?

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To all you guys who weigh and compare mask weights.....

 

What does a 28/29 oz mask compare to in terms of other brands/models/styles of masks?  Obviously the trend toward lighter masks with the magnesium, Titanium, hollow wire aluminum, etc. such as Diamond iX3, Various Ti models from other manufacturers, etc. does not compare.  But, What does a Wilson A3009 Dynalite with leather wraparounds and a visor weigh.  Some of the other Honig's and +POS masks not made to be ultralight.  Just some comparisons is what I am looking for.

 

i.e.- My first backup mask was a Honig's double bar mask that I put tan leather Wilson traditional pads and a visor on.  It was notably heavier in weight than my Wilson Cro-Moly New View low-profile with traditional or wraparound leather pads.  Neither could compare to my low-profile Ti with any kind of leather pads either. 

 

Just wondering?

 

My All Star FM25TI(LUC Pads) is 19oz and the steel version with LMX is 22oz. 

 

I do not care for the look.  I have not had an issue with my present masks that would lead me to want to change.

I would like to see the testing.  Hopefully Jim learned from the last one and he doesn't get in front of the pitching machine again. 

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This is from Jason Klein on ABUA/Umpire.org site in sister? topic to this one here.

 

 

"I am happy to share our test results that was conducted by one of the 4 independent testing labs in the country that is approved by NOCSAE. We have the scientific data, and happy to share and answer any questions.

As far as the guarantee, every mask bends after subsequent impacts. That's what they are designed to do. Rather the mask bend than your head. Our mask has such a great advantage over every mask out there, we wanted to not have you worry about a dented mask, and not just have to throw it away after it was dented beyond use and make you buy another one. We didn't have to give any guarantee and could have elected to go this route. All masks these days have a 1 year use life. After each year, the manufacturer will not warranty the mask, and recommend you buy a new one anyway. 

Hope that helps, and I am more than happy to answer any questions.

Thanks for your interest!"
 
 
Someone scientific ask him for testing results and analyze it for us please.

 

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This is from Jason Klein on ABUA/Umpire.org site in sister? topic to this one here.

 

 

"I am happy to share our test results that was conducted by one of the 4 independent testing labs in the country that is approved by NOCSAE. We have the scientific data, and happy to share and answer any questions.

As far as the guarantee, every mask bends after subsequent impacts. That's what they are designed to do. Rather the mask bend than your head. Our mask has such a great advantage over every mask out there, we wanted to not have you worry about a dented mask, and not just have to throw it away after it was dented beyond use and make you buy another one. We didn't have to give any guarantee and could have elected to go this route. All masks these days have a 1 year use life. After each year, the manufacturer will not warranty the mask, and recommend you buy a new one anyway. 

Hope that helps, and I am more than happy to answer any questions.

Thanks for your interest!"

 
 
Someone scientific ask him for testing results and analyze it for us please.

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Interesting ....

NOCSAE does'nt have standards for traditional masks.

 

That said, ... if they indeed did this for Force 3/ABUA, ...then why not have NOSCAE do it for chest protectors,... which also don't have standards :shrug:

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