Rules that are written, but not recognized

[Thunderheads]

This topic here: Go to page 2, post #26,....it all starts there ....

http://umpire-empire.com/index.php/topic/55769-questions-about-the-2014-nfhs-umpire-test/

 

Larry locked this post (appropriately so) because GOEFF's OOO thinking/umpiring de-railed the OP....... ...but it got me to thinking ...........

 

Even though 5.09(e) does say runners should touch their base after a foul ball .... vacinity is accepted practice (as agrued in the post above)

 

So .... let's review some others, shall we?

 

What other rules are written in the rulebook/s (pick your code, doesn't matter) ....however, .... they are "looked over/ignored" from an umpiring perspective?

 

BE SPECIFIC

 

I have a couple, but ...I'm sure you'll have a few also, so, have fun ....  GO!!

[JaxRolo]

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

[Thunderheads]

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

Doesn't it say it's a ball?

[conbo61]

Neighborhood play at 2B on a double play.

[Thunderheads]

Neighborhood play at 2B on a double play.

one the first one's I thought about ...................

[JaxRolo]

 

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

Doesn't it say it's a ball?

 

Yeah but no one enforces it

[Thunderheads]

 

 

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

Doesn't it say it's a ball?

 

Yeah but no one enforces it

 

I KNOW THAT .....THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE THREAD!!  

 

[maven]

Neighborhood play at 2B on a double play.

 

Maybe I don't understand the concept of this thread, but the neighborhood play will soon be a thing of the past. It should not be called in amateur ball at all, and fewer pro umpires are calling it, since they started enforcing the INT restrictions at 2B.

 

Also, I make pitchers stop in the set regardless of whether there are runners. In my experience, if they don't stop then, they won't stop with runners (and the coach will tell me that "he always does that!").

 

What are we supposed to be discussing here?

[ALStripes17]

I would consider strike zone expansion for those games that are not at a high level (for HS at least).

This thread could get really interesting bc some guys may get raked over the coals for some of the 'gray area' of officiating that we all know and love. :)

[Thunderheads]

 

Neighborhood play at 2B on a double play.

 

Maybe I don't understand the concept of this thread, but the neighborhood play will soon be a thing of the past. It should not be called in amateur ball at all, and fewer pro umpires are calling it, since they started enforcing the INT restrictions at 2B.

 

Also, I make pitchers stop in the set regardless of whether there are runners. In my experience, if they don't stop then, they won't stop with runners (and the coach will tell me that "he always does that!").

 

What are we supposed to be discussing here?

 

maven, I know you're smarter than this ....

did you see the thread I posted / linked in the OP?  If so, you understand the question here ....

[JaxRolo]

 

 

 

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

Doesn't it say it's a ball?

 

Yeah but no one enforces it

 

I KNOW THAT .....THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE THREAD!!  

 

 

Exactly!

 

oh - Didn't you eject someone the other day for posting all caps?

[Thunderheads]

 

 

 

 

Fed - Not coming set with no runners  on

Doesn't it say it's a ball?

 

Yeah but no one enforces it

 

I KNOW THAT .....THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE THREAD!!  

 

 

Exactly!

 

oh - Didn't you eject someone the other day for posting all caps?

 

that was GEOFF in the thread described in my OP, that's different.  This was used to make sure a certain Cuban understood!

[Mike Prince]

Quite the gray area between relaxation of a rule and judgement/game management in my opinion (which probably doesn't count for all that much).  Strike zone is a good example.

 

Also, some umpires don't ignore rules, they don't know them in the first place.  The list of "made up" rules is probably longer than those which are cast the occasional blind eye to facilitate game flow.

 

One I see is the rule requiring a fielder to be completely in the field of play.  Most here will ignore the foot in foul ground until a coach brings it to their attention.  Jewelry and more generally equipment violations is another one I see some umpires overlook.

 

Think of the last game you worked where you enforced a rule and the response was "But they let us do it last game"

[DVA7130]

@Mike Prince

As long as one foot is touching the foul line when the ball is put in play it is legal.

[Mike Prince]

@Mike Prince

As long as one foot is touching the foul line when the ball is put in play it is legal.

See?  Not all of the umpires know the rules

 

Yep, my bad.  My fingers on the keyboard work faster than my mind.

[baseballfan]

OBR 3.01(e) Comment says the umpire shall not give a ball to the pitcher or catcher when a homer is hit until after the BR has crossed the plate. You never see that in pro ball.

[basejester]

A lot of rules are ignored because the interpretations say, "Ha, ha, just kidding".

 

 4.05 (b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall (1) be in team uniform,
and (2) remain within the coach’s box at all times.

[Thunderheads]

A lot of rules are ignored because the interpretations say, "Ha, ha, just kidding".

 

 4.05 (b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall (1) be in team uniform,

and (2) remain within the coach’s box at all times.

GOOD ONE!

[Mike Prince]

Another one is the rule that there must be on-deck circles and coaches boxes on the field.  A few years ago this was a point of emphasis in the HS assn I worked.  No boxes/circles, you don't start the game.  This in an area where several schools were strapped for cash and getting foul lines and batter's boxes on the field could be challenging.

[soapbox]

I think the biggest offense is the strike zone. If you called the actual zone, you'd be buried. I'm specifically talking about the high strike. Call a fastball above the belly button and get ready to hear it.

[JaxRolo]

2 terms come mind when overlooking rules.

Preventive Umpiring

Grabbing the wrong end of the stick.

Way overused

[Thunderheads]

2 terms come mind when overlooking rules.

Preventive Umpiring

Grabbing the wrong end of the stick.

Way overused

This isn't about "overlooking rules" though .... I don't want this to go off-course.  It's about rules that are written that are; by practice in umpiring, ... looked over .... see basejester's post ....

[Richvee]

How about this FED regulation regarding the pivot foot in the set position?

 

 

....and with his entire pivot foot in contact with or directly in front of and parallel the pitcher's plate. 

 

Does anyone call a balk in FED if F1's heel or toe is not within the edges of the rubber? 

[Rich Ives]

OBR 3.01(e) Comment says the umpire shall not give a ball to the pitcher or catcher when a homer is hit until after the BR has crossed the plate. You never see that in pro ball.

 

They follow it it the Eastern League games I see in Binghamton.

[Rich Ives]

A lot of rules are ignored because the interpretations say, "Ha, ha, just kidding".

 

 4.05 (b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall (1) be in team uniform,

and (2) remain within the coach’s box at all times.

 

The interp is official - therefore really a rule. Especially this one as it's right in the book itself.