HBP ...foul ball?

[Thunderheads]

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=30467269&query=dispute

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=30467269

[afaber12]

Was it actually called a foul, or was that just the assumption by the announcers from the umpire "throwing his hands up"? A more reasonable - though still potentially contentious - call would be to rule a ball, on the basis that he did not attempt to get out of the way. I'd be truly surprised to find out it was actually called foul. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

[UmpJeff]

The first slo-mo replay shows it clearly hit the batter on the left elbow.  That pitch didn't come anywhere close to the bat.

[LMSANS]

Time, ball, stay in the box...you have to give some movement to avoid.

[Umpire in Chief]

Don't listen to the announcers. The hands going up just means time, and can be for any number of reasons...

 

But listen to the hit. It sounds solid- like wood. Add to that the batter din't give you a good reaction. 

 

Yes, the replay shows it hit him AND I am a Laz fan, but I probably would have called the same thing. We've all been there and had to call a HBP based on things other than we saw. 

 

Missed call but not egregious.

[Texas Manny]

I played the video and clearly heard the HPU call "FOUL BALL!"   Even though he showed him the spot on the arm, the PU still felt it hit the bat, not the batter. Call stood. No ask for help.

 

Interesting...

[Haid D' Salaami]

Time, ball, stay in the box...you have to give some movement to avoid.

Not in NCAA BTW.. if the pitch is in the verticals lines of the batter box, and the batter freezes.. see yea down at 1st.

[Haid D' Salaami]

Don't listen to the announcers. The hands going up just means time, and can be for any number of reasons...

 

But listen to the hit. It sounds solid- like wood. Add to that the batter din't give you a good reaction. 

 

Yes, the replay shows it hit him AND I am a Laz fan, but I probably would have called the same thing. We've all been there and had to call a HBP based on things other than we saw. 

 

Missed call but not egregious.

I love and hang out with Laz in the fall.... But in this scenario, in amateur ball  if the player shows you his hit, or you can ask him to look at it.. then do so.. the NCAA says we are allowed and encouraged to use this info..

 

short story.. I was working the plate at a Very bid DI school.. its my 1st plate game there... home team kids gets hit.. I heard what i thought was bat, so I called foul.. coach came in and we talked... the batter stayed at bat... well... I was wrong... on the bases my partner looked and saw his arm and saw where he got hit.. I was told in my post game, "why didn't I ask to look at his arm...?'

 

So raise your arms up and dont say anything.. cause just raising your arms at that point means nothing. you have not said foul or take your base... use all the info you have...I.e.. where was that pitch, is the player flopping around like a striped bass.. or is he just kind of standing there.

[noumpere]

 

Time, ball, stay in the box...you have to give some movement to avoid.

Not in NCAA BTW.. if the pitch is in the verticals lines of the batter box, and the batter freezes.. see yea down at 1st.

 

And as a practical matter its the same in pro even if the rule is written as clear.

[grayhawk]

I wouldn't have kept him there. This was a 92 mph fastball that ran in on him, not some slow curve that didn't break enough. He wasn't even wearing an elbow pad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free