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[Thunderheads]

F1 not considered a fielder here?

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=30068393&query=ball hits umpire

[Thunderheads]

 

F1 not considered a fielder here?

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29993325&query=umpire

Late time is comming up for this one also Thunder. At least for me it is.

 

got it, thanks dumbdumb..............

[scrounge]

the intended video comes up right after Late Time, though....

[Thunderheads]

it's fixed ................................................

[noumpere]

F1 not considered a fielder here?

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=30068393&query=ball hits umpire

F1 is F1 and the rule specifies what happens if the ball passes a fielder other than the pitcher or deflects off a fielder including the pitcher.  I couldn't tell for sure which it did but I know what they ruled.

 

Saying f1 is (or is not) considered a fielder just confuses the issue, imo.

[maven]

You want 6.09(c ): A batter becomes a runner when...

 

"A fair ball, after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or after having been
touched by a fielder, including the pitcher, shall touch an umpire or runner on fair
territory;"

[mstaylor]

Maven pretty much has this, it didn't touch the pitcher so it's dead, all return unless forced and BR gets first. 

[NorthTexasUmp]

But it DID deflect off the pitcher. Look at the 0:45 mark.

[bam]

If it did, no one saw it

[mstaylor]

It looks like it might have but it is not definitive. The umpires didn't rule that it did, so evidently it didn't. 

[Thunderheads]

It looks like it might have but it is not definitive. The umpires didn't rule that it did, so evidently it didn't. 

 

[mstaylor]

It's like my assigner tells people when we are observing and the umpire calls a strike. They ask if it was, he will say must have been, the umpire called it. 

[Jimurray]

If it did, no one saw it

The announcers said it was deflected which explains why U2 was moving one way and then reversed his direction and got hit. So it should have been play on and R1 and R3. U2 doesn't kill it, either because he knew it was deflected or because he was slow on the uptake after being hit. U1 kills it because maybe he didn't see the deflection.

[mstaylor]

I don't see the ball change direction, the announcers saying it was deflected means nothing. The umpire didn't reverse direction until it was on top of him. The early part of the clip looks like he swipes at it but is just behind it. Now, if the ball was touched then it certainly is live and play on. I think they got it right. 

[bam]

Another case where replay doesn't change the call on the field. 

[JaxRolo]

No no no

 

The actual rule you want on this is:

 

6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put
out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when—

(d) A fair ball touches an umpire or a runner on fair territory before touching a fielder.

 

If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher,
or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play.

[zm1283]

Guys I think it's fairly clear that it changed direction because F1 touched it.  Watch the shot from behind home plate and watch the path of the ball change direction.  I'm also pretty sure I can hear it hit F1's glove when it happens live at the very start of the video.  

[bam]

Guys I think it's fairly clear that it changed direction because F1 touched it.  Watch the shot from behind home plate and watch the path of the ball change direction.  I'm also pretty sure I can hear it hit F1's glove when it happens live at the very start of the video.  

Can you see through lead, too?

[zm1283]

 

Guys I think it's fairly clear that it changed direction because F1 touched it.  Watch the shot from behind home plate and watch the path of the ball change direction.  I'm also pretty sure I can hear it hit F1's glove when it happens live at the very start of the video.  

Can you see through lead, too?

 

 

You'd be surprised.

 

Watch the path of the ball from behind home plate.  

[Thunderheads]

 

Guys I think it's fairly clear that it changed direction because F1 touched it.  Watch the shot from behind home plate and watch the path of the ball change direction.  I'm also pretty sure I can hear it hit F1's glove when it happens live at the very start of the video.  

Can you see through lead, too?

 

Easy Bam .... I thought I had a deflection also ........

 

Interestingly enough ..........the video is showing 'not available' now?

[JaxRolo]

It doesn't matter if it hit the pitcher. See my previous post.

[Thunderheads]

It doesn't matter if it hit the pitcher. See my previous post.

it does for the ruling on the field .... sending R2 back to second ...........as they ruled it didn't touch F1

[noumpere]

It doesn't matter if it hit the pitcher. See my previous post.

It might not matter to you but it matters to those who want to get the ruling right.

[Jimurray]

No no no

 

The actual rule you want on this is:

 

6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put

out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when—

(d) A fair ball touches an umpire or a runner on fair territory before touching a fielder.

 

If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher,

or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play.

 

You also need 5.09(f) and 7.04(b) to make the ball dead and advance the forced runners.

[bam]

This isn't rocket surgery, guys.  If it hit the pitcher, then the umpire, see 6.09.  If not, see 6.08. 

 

In either case, the runners, in this situation, wind up in the same place.