Single and an error or a Double?

[Guest Tom Nyes]

Federation or Highschool rules

 

How do you score this play:

 

Batter hits a very hard line drive at the center fielder.  The center fielder is running in to make the play but cannot get there in time.  The ball short hops and hits the center fielder in the gut as he is running in to make the play.  This injures the centerfielder where he cannot continue to finnish the play and the right fielder has to come over to collect the ball.  The batter reaches second.  Is this scored as a base hit and an error or is it scored as a double because the centerfielder attempted to make a play on a ball that was uncatchable and the resulted in the batter reaching second? 

 

[johnnyg08]

Double

[KLAH316]

Double

[SoCal Lurker]

_{It's a judgment call.} 

 

 

 

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a

batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to

advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such

fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base

before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the

catch;

 

 

_{Most likely a double.  If, in the jugment of th official scorer, the reason it hit him in the stomach is that his misplay (muff) on the ball made it happen, it's possible that it could be an error. but much more likely to be properly ruled a double.}

[HeadHunterLA]

Takes a liner to the gut and can't continue the play???  Pfffttt, single and error. 

[Omega194]

Single and an error all day Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Stan W.]

I'd probably go with single and an error......HS scoring on one side will be double and the other will be single and an error......I sometimes read the paper reports of the HS games I do locally and amazingly the game report never matches the game as I remember it ......batters going 4-4 when at best they were 2-2....wins, saves....

 

if he dove for it and it got by, probably a double....but it hit him....should be held for single.......

[JaxRolo]

I don't care what they score it 😜

[grayhawk]

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[afaber12]

Unless the ball took a weird bounce to make it unplayable, my thinking would be it would be a single and an error. That F8's injured on the play doesn't automatically grant him immunity, if he plays it properly he doesn't get injured. It's been a while since I've scored though, and my current rule book may as well only goes up to 9. At one of the last meetings I went to, someone asked about a sub or ejection mid-AB, does the new batter have a clean count or whatever the old batter had. I answered and even went on about how rule 10 covers shared at bats and who gets credit, I was (half-jokingly) shouted down about how rule 10 doesn't exist.

[Jimurray]

You weren't told the proper use for those pages when you were trained?

[afaber12]

You weren't told the proper use for those pages when you were trained?

I was told they didn't exist, that they were figments of my imagination. Would I be correct in assuming that you allude to making use of them in the bathroom? That though they might be stored in a reading rack, reading isn't the intended use?

[Rich Ives]

Double.

[Jimurray]

You weren't told the proper use for those pages when you were trained?

I was told they didn't exist, that they were figments of my imagination.

Would I be correct in assuming that you allude to making use of them in the bathroom? That though they might be stored in a reading rack, reading isn't the intended use?

That's correct, reading those pages isn't the correct use for you as an umpire. Just read Rich Ives' answer. He's a coach. He knows rule 10. I do have a caveat though. I'm not sure but I think you have to read about halfway into the first page of the NFHS scorekeeping chapter to correctly rule about when a run scores. So, don't tear out that page. NCAA I don't know.

[afaber12]

Seeing as we don't have NFHS NCAA in Australia (at least to the best of my knowledge, anyway - maybe there's an equivalent somewhere) and I'm not likely to make the trans-Pacific journey for an umpiring stint any time soon, I don't think I have to worry. I've seen local rule sets, but they usually have some sort of preamble of "use OABR (O Australian BR, which I think is OBR but maybe 12 months behind sometimes), except when something in here contradicts". That's how local anti-collision rules, in juniors or Masters (a.k.a. old farts leagues) allowances for re-entry or batting past the #9, etc get used, rather than reinventing the wheel every time.

[Rich Ives]

The ONLY place you can find a description of what constitutes a stolen base (thus stealing) is in rule 10.  Can you rule on rules that are about stealing without knowing that? 

[VAUmp]

Double

 

If a ball is hit to the third baseman and it short hops him in the gut and the guy beats it out at first, it's a single.  Same thing here.  

 

If there was no error (and to me, this wasn't), you have to score it a double.  

 

And this CF must have been quite the sissy if that hurt him.

[afaber12]

The ONLY place you can find a description of what constitutes a stolen base (thus stealing) is in rule 10.  Can you rule on rules that are about stealing without knowing that? 

But umpires don't rule whether the runner stole the base or not. We rule whether the runner was safe or out, but if safe we don't rule if it was a stolen base, or advanced on a passed ball or wild pitch, or maybe even on a throwing/fielding error. (Yes, I know that could only be if he gets an additional base.) We know the runner isn't forced to advance because of the batter becoming a runner, therefore to be out he must be tagged. We have to know if there was a balk, we have to know if there was interference, we have to know if the pivot held on to the ball and made tag before the runner reached the base. I might be missing some other things we have to know, but it's still early Sunday morning here, an though summer, not a game day for me. What part of rule 10 do we need to know to umpire?

[mstaylor]

I have single/error. I have been a coach and I was a centerfielder. If I field that on the bounce, it's a single, bounces off you, hurt or not, error. @Rich, you are allowing a double in a 7.13 question? Really?