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noumpere
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fwiw I think too many umpires use that as a crutch to not see what they should be seeing.

johnnyg08
johnnyg08

You would be right on the field, but your reasoning would not be correct based on the MLBUM.  It is most definitely OBS on B/R before reaching first base. BUT, since the ball was hit to the outfield,

Umpire in Chief
Umpire in Chief

^^^^ If I'm the guy who called the type B obstruction rather than call the out I call "Time" and award the base.    Same goes if I know my partner called it. 

johnnyg08

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He wouldn't been running at a full sprint around 1B...big time OBS. 

 

This was OBS on the BR before reaching 2B, how is this play different from the OBS called on King Felix last week?  

 

Was it b/c there was not a play being made on Votto?  

maven

maven

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His line around 1B was definitely adjusted. Ordinarily on a double you'd take a wide route through 1B, and he goes in nearly straight and stutter-steps to avoid colliding with F3.

 

Good call. You don't need a train wreck to have OBS.

th3

th3

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how does MLB.com call it "interference"??

 

5/20/13: Joey Votto smacks a base hit into right field off Shaun Marcum and advances to second base on an interference call in the first

maven

maven

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how does MLB.com call it "interference"??

 

5/20/13: Joey Votto smacks a base hit into right field off Shaun Marcum and advances to second base on an interference call in the first

 

Who do you think writes their columns? Umpires or recent journalism school grads who can't get work at a newspaper?

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noumpere

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Good job by U1 in getting this and Ive seen it missed at lower levels more times than I can count - either staying with the ball too long and not seeing the touch or being to focused and not seing the big picture.

Umpire in Chief

Umpire in Chief

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Good call, and it has real world implications for us as amateurs, Especially in NSA games where you have the fielders standing directly on top of their base on a hit to the outfield. Even in a 2 man crew we should be able to get this one more often. 

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grayhawk

grayhawk

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 Even in a 2 man crew we should be able to get this one more often. 

 

 

Yes, really easy call. 

Big Time?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

+1 on both.  BR was most definitely not afforded the ability to round the bag due to F3's brain fart.

BigUmpire

BigUmpire

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 Even in a 2 man crew we should be able to get this one more often. 

 

 

Yes, really easy call. 

Big Time?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

+1 on both.  BR was most definitely not afforded the ability to round the bag due to F3's brain fart.

 

Agreed BUT not big time. I would have called it BUT NOT BIG TIME !

BigUmpire

BigUmpire

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big time = no brainer .........

 

it's symantics Big Umpire

You are right BUT I have a copyrite on ©BIG. and you are correct I have no brain.

 

Post more videos we love them!

 

Thanks Jeff.

grayhawk

grayhawk

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Agreed BUT not big time. I would have called it BUT NOT BIG TIME !

 

 

 

This is one of those situations that isn't big time in 10U, but is big time in MLB.  You expect a 10U F3 to be oblivious in this situation, but you expect an MLB F3 to know better.  That, to me, is why it's big time OBS here.

Haid D' Salaami

Haid D' Salaami

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He wouldn't been running at a full sprint around 1B...big time OBS. 

 

This was OBS on the BR before reaching 2B, how is this play different from the OBS called on King Felix last week?  

 

Was it b/c there was not a play being made on Votto?  

Because this is type B OBS... not on BR before reaching 1st.

johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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He wouldn't been running at a full sprint around 1B...big time OBS. 

 

This was OBS on the BR before reaching 2B, how is this play different from the OBS called on King Felix last week?  

 

Was it b/c there was not a play being made on Votto?  

Because this is type B OBS... not on BR before reaching 1st.

 

 

You would be right on the field, but your reasoning would not be correct based on the MLBUM.  It is most definitely OBS on B/R before reaching first base. BUT, since the ball was hit to the outfield, the following applies: 

 

The OBS in this sitch was on the B/R before reaching first base.  Just not while a play was being made on him.  (Which is Type B)

 

What the umpires said in the Felix situation was that when OBS occurs on the B/R before reaching 1B the ball is dead.  That's what they said.  I think the "OR" is the key piece here.

 

Here's the rule (which I'm sure you know)

 

Credit for clip below: Close Call Sports

 

OBR Rule 7.06(a) obstruction states:

If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batter-runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire’s judg- ment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out.

 

 

Here's the other piece from Close Call Sports which is why they kept it live here:

 

Furthermore, the MLB Umpire Manual specifies three distinct cases of Rule 7.06(a) and Rule 7.06(b)obstruction wherein a batter-runner is obstructed before reaching first base. They are:

Case 1: (a) Ground Ball to Infielder: Though "it appears that the infielder will have an easy play on the ball," "Time" is called immediately and the obstructed batter-runner is awarded first base.

Case 2: (b) Pop-Up or Line Drive to Infielder: Act ID'd ("that's obstruction"), but the ball is kept alive. If the pop- or liner is caught, the batter is out; if not, the batter-runner is awarded first base ("Time").

Case 3: (b) Any Ball Hit to Outfielder: Similar to (b), the ball is kept alive. If caught, batter is out; if not, the batter-runner is always "protected" to at least first base and more if the umpire judges accordingly.

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mstaylor

mstaylor

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Isn't that the long version of what I said? Ob before first is only when hit to infield. Hit to infield, type B

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johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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Isn't that the long version of what I said? Ob before first is only when hit to infield. Hit to infield, type B

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Yes.  A much, much longer version.      :hi5:

SoCal Lurker

SoCal Lurker

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Good call, and it has real world implications for us as amateurs, Especially in NSA games where you have the fielders standing directly on top of their base on a hit to the outfield. Even in a 2 man crew we should be able to get this one more often. 

 

 

As a daddy observer, where it is brutal is one-man youth games -- oblivious obstruction is almost routine by some of the lower skilled players, but difficult (and sometimes realistically impossible) for the lone ump to see with multiple runners. 

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