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Had a Varsity 3A district game last night. Both teams towards the bottom of their district but it ended up being a decent game.

I thought i had a solid zone all night. My partner said it was small but consistent.

Had a 0-0 ball game heading to bottom 4. Leadoff runner gets on. So we have R1.

Batter lays down a bunt. Catcher fields it about 2 ft inside fair territory. Throws it to first and hits B/R in helmet. I thought B/R was straddling the line a bit and his left foot was inside the line. He gets through first base before i call time and call him out for interference and send R1 back.

Of course the HC comes running out and jumps my butt about it. Of course he says he was in the lane and he's "right where we teach him to run".I told him i had his foot inside the line. He disagrees of course and calls it a terrible call. I head back to home and the fans are yelling "had to involve yourself in yhe game" etc etc.

I know its not a popular call, but almost no one is willing to call it. I am sure i got this one right. They end up scratching a run across to make it 1-0.

Had a play at the plate in top of 6 that i might have had an ejection on if the catcher didnt drop the ball. R2 comes arounf and outfielder makes a good throw. Drop to 3BLX and watch the play. Ball and runner arive at same time almost. Runner slides and gets feet through catchers legs. I have him safe even before ball comes out. But i didnt call it until ball was on ground because i saw it pop out. My partner said he thought he woulf have been out after the game, but i said o thought different. I bet the coach would have come unglued if i had him safe if he holds onto the ball

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Later in bottom 6. Home team ends up down 3-2 after a bad top of 6.

They get R1 no outs. Batter runs up towards front of box and bunts. Hes safe. VC comes out to argue that he was out of the box. I told him i didnt see it that way. He says "you know its your job to see that" i told him i did and that he wasnt. Of course the front lines are obliterated by this point. Next batter does same exact thing. But i thought i his foot eas out in front of ths plate. I call him out.

I maybe should have let this call go. I know it looked terrible after other coach just complained. But i did call it. HC comes screaming down line. Telling me where waa he out of the box. Show me. Etc. Batter waa behind him ans he proceesed to try and point to the front line with his bat. I raised my voice and told him nlt to do that. Coach gets more pissed. I tell him loudly "Coach thats enough" and my partner runs down to steer him back towarsa third. He yells"thats another inning youve taken me out of " i say nothinf and we go back to pkaying.

The fans of course are mad and yelling. "Do you like your car blue" etc. I ignore them. Just being dumb fans. HT takes the lead 5-3. Ended up with bases loaded. They scored onece. HT held on to win 5-4.

Interesting game. Just wanted to post. Any thoughts are appreciated.

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Aggie, If I understand you running lane violation description, "straddling the line a bit" to me means he was out of the lane when struck by F2's throw.  Kill it immediately and bang him out.  Of course the HC is going to bitch about the call, but it is a call that must be made.

 

Batter's box - only you know, but sounds like the HC may have got into your head a little.  Were you tracking the pitch or watching where the batter was standing?  With no batter's box lines, how do you know he was completely out of the box?  Again, you were there so maybe you had more information at the time than what you posted above.  Like you said, both batters did they exact same thing.  One was ok and the other out.  Kind of a hard position to defend.

 

Why was your partner involving himself with the HC prior to an EJ?  Maybe coming to get the batter out of there, but the HC is yours.  HC told you he didn't agree with the call, you explained it to him (hopefully stating at contact batter's foot was on the ground completely out of the box), now its time to get back to playing.  Inform HC he needs to go back to third base box, the discussion is over and its time to play.

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Bang the running lane as soon as he is hit. Come up with a big,"Time, out of the lane!" When he complains, just say he was inside. No other  discussion needed. On the out of the box calls, the first one you simply say you don't have it. The second you stress there was no need to judge in or out,he was in front of the plate.Lines or no lines, there will never be any box in front.
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There is no way in a million years that I would have made the out of the box call after the coach showed me up like that.  Absolutely no way in hell.  I don't care if he's out there shaking hands with the pitcher, I've got him in the box.  

 

The comment from the fans about your car, what was that?  Like they were threatening to vandalize your vehicle?

 

Must be a class operation at that school.

 

Sounds like an interesting game.  I don't think I have that much crap go on in an entire season, let alone a single game.

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Make sure you do a game report that covers the car comment. That school's AD needs to be aware what his parents are saying.

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We told the admin who escorted us after the game. He is a principal at the HS.

 

Definitely a weird game. PArt of the territory in district play i guess.

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Bang the running lane as soon as he is hit. Come up with a big,"Time, out of the lane!" When he complains, just say he was inside. No other  discussion needed. On the out of the box calls, the first one you simply say you don't have it. The second you stress there was no need to judge in or out,he was in front of the plate.Lines or no lines, there will never be any box in front.

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Right and you could have called the runner safe at the plate before waiting for the ball to come out.  Once a runner is safe at the plate or overrunning first hes not going to be out later so you don't need to wait.  Part of having good timing is knowing when to be slow and when not to be slow.  Now if he would have been out then you were right to wait until the tag is completed.

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We told the admin who escorted us after the game. He is a principal at the HS.

 

Definitely a weird game. PArt of the territory in district play i guess.

Threatening fans is not the part of any level of game. If they are threatening you or your property, it needs a game report. Telling the administrator is good but a paper trail is better. I did a varsity soccer game in a stadium, the AD was on the track and got very ugly. He is supposed to be the one controlling the problems, not cause them. I did a report which went to my assigner, who interestingly enough was the that county's administrator for sports. 

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Greyhound, report it to your assignor and follow the procedure to get a report to the powers that be in Texas.  Threatening is unacceptable.  The state needs to know about this, because they may not of been serious this time, but who knows next time.  Nip it while you can.

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Good call. I need to follow up with my assignor's on the stuff that happened Friday.

 

And I should have have given the safe signal right away on the play at home. I was just not hurrying the call, and i saw the ball pop out as I was straightening up to give my signal. It just stopped me for a second when i saw it and then I came up anyways. I thought about it afterwards and thought the same thing. Waiting until after the ball is out made it look like an out until he dropped the ball.

 

All learning processes. Thanks for the advice as always guys.

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I had to eject a 1st base coach in a game last weekend(USSSA 13 yr old tournament) over a running lane violation.  I called it immediately, and it was obvious.  Apparently to everyone except the 1st base coach.  He was adamant his guy was in the running lane.  Of course he was telling me the running lane was the dirt path to first base, not the actual running lane.  Later, the 3rd base coach asked me about it calmly and quietly between innings.  His major complaint was that in his opinion it is not normally called by umpires when it should be.  So when it is, people get upset.  I told him I couldn't control other umpires, but on my field if you are out of the running lane and it interferes with the play you are out.  I have made the same call 3 times I can remember this spring during high school games and there have been no arguements about the call.  As always, if people don't know the rules they tend to get upset when you call them for a violation. 

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I had to eject a 1st base coach in a game last weekend(USSSA 13 yr old tournament) over a running lane violation.  I called it immediately, and it was obvious.  Apparently to everyone except the 1st base coach.  He was adamant his guy was in the running lane.  Of course he was telling me the running lane was the dirt path to first base, not the actual running lane.  Later, the 3rd base coach asked me about it calmly and quietly between innings.  His major complaint was that in his opinion it is not normally called by umpires when it should be.  So when it is, people get upset.  I told him I couldn't control other umpires, but on my field if you are out of the running lane and it interferes with the play you are out.  I have made the same call 3 times I can remember this spring during high school games and there have been no arguements about the call.  As always, if people don't know the rules they tend to get upset when you call them for a violation. 

Very true, lack of rules knowledge by the coach leads to arguments that should never happen. 

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There is no way in a million years that I would have made the out of the box call after the coach showed me up like that.  Absolutely no way in hell.  I don't care if he's out there shaking hands with the pitcher, I've got him in the box. 

OP showed a lot of integrity on that call.

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We told the admin who escorted us after the game. He is a principal at the HS.

 

Definitely a weird game. PArt of the territory in district play i guess.

Threatening fans is not the part of any level of game. If they are threatening you or your property, it needs a game report. Telling the administrator is good but a paper trail is better. I did a varsity soccer game in a stadium, the AD was on the track and got very ugly. He is supposed to be the one controlling the problems, not cause them. I did a report which went to my assigner, who interestingly enough was the that county's administrator for sports. 

 

So why don't they control it. What's in it for them not to control it and show integrity and respect for their sport, their school, the kids, and being an example for future generations. And you wonder we have no heroes left to look up to. Look how the supposedly respected people in the community act. What a shame.

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I had to eject a 1st base coach in a game last weekend(USSSA 13 yr old tournament) over a running lane violation.  I called it immediately, and it was obvious.  Apparently to everyone except the 1st base coach.  He was adamant his guy was in the running lane.  Of course he was telling me the running lane was the dirt path to first base, not the actual running lane.  Later, the 3rd base coach asked me about it calmly and quietly between innings.  His major complaint was that in his opinion it is not normally called by umpires when it should be.  So when it is, people get upset.  I told him I couldn't control other umpires, but on my field if you are out of the running lane and it interferes with the play you are out.  I have made the same call 3 times I can remember this spring during high school games and there have been no arguements about the call.  As always, if people don't know the rules they tend to get upset when you call them for a violation. 

 

 

I would bet my last dollar that absolutely nobody, coach or spectator, is ever watching where the runner is at while going to first except the umpires and maybe Rich Ives.

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There is no way in a million years that I would have made the out of the box call after the coach showed me up like that.  Absolutely no way in hell.  I don't care if he's out there shaking hands with the pitcher, I've got him in the box. 

OP showed a lot of integrity on that call.

 

That's one word for it.  I can think of quite a few others that I will not share here.

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