Lodged ball?

[ncump7]

B1 hits a one hopper back to the pitcher.  F1 attempts to remove ball from glove to make the throw, but can not get the ball out. He then removes his glove and tosses it, with the ball, to F3 in time for the out.  Do we have an out, or is the ball lodged in defensive players equipment for a two base award??

[mjr_2013]

In NFHS, this is a lodged ball... BR gets 2nd.

 

In OBR, this is legal. Call the play.

[Jocko]

^^^ What he said ^^^

[mjr_2013]

I've never understood the Federation's reasoning in this rule... Why shouldn't this be a live ball? And if you really want to call it a lodged ball, why give him second?

[ncump7]

Thanks guys.  I could not find anything that would make the play legal, but can not reason why the two base award on an easy defensive play.

[Thunderheads]

Thanks guys.  I could not find anything that would make the play legal, but can not reason why the two base award on an easy defensive play.

Don't ever try to use logic when dealing w/ the NFHS rule set!

 

Can you imagine this happening and having a coach come unglued??  I can see it happening ........

[basejester]

 

Thanks guys.  I could not find anything that would make the play legal, but can not reason why the two base award on an easy defensive play.

If you define making the play to include dislodging the ball, it's not an easy play.

[UmpJM]

mjr,

 

As to the first part of your question (FED's "reasoning") I have no idea - though I suspect it has to do with the author's conflation of a lodged ball and illegal use of detached equipment; as to the 2nd part, ANY time a fair batted ball becomes "lodged" it is a 2-base award (TOP) to all runners including the BR.

 

JM

[Thunderheads]

mjr,

 

As to the first part of your question (FED's "reasoning") I have no idea - though I suspect it has to do with the author's conflation of a lodged ball and illegal use of detached equipment; as to the 2nd part, ANY time a fair batted ball becomes "lodged" it is a 2-base award (TOP) to all runners including the BR.

 

JM

While JM is correct (he always is) ......... it doesn't help the logic behind the base awards .... does it?

[Jocko]

mjr, As to the first part of your question (FED's "reasoning") I have no idea - though I suspect it has to do with the author's conflation of a lodged ball and illegal use of detached equipment; as to the 2nd part, ANY time a fair batted ball becomes "lodged" it is a 2-base award (TOP) to all runners including the BR. JM

JM is correct (he always is)

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[noumpere]

In NFHS, this is a lodged ball... BR gets 2nd.

 

In OBR, this is legal. Call the play.

NCAA follows pro on this.

[mjr_2013]

It's usually a great defensive play to have this happen. A true laser snagged in the glove going so fast it almost goes through the glove!

Yet the base award makes it so the defense would rather the ball be a clean single!

It's dumb, but like Thunder said, there's no use applying logic to NFHS rules!

[Jocko]

I finally figured out what JM in UmpJM's name was. It hit me like a lightning bolt.......

UmpJM is --------- JEDI MASTER :meditation:

[cyclonehokiece]

Thanks guys.  I could not find anything that would make the play legal, but can not reason why the two base award on an easy defensive play.

Don't ever try to use logic when dealing w/ the NFHS rule set!

 

Can you imagine this happening and having a coach come unglued??  I can see it happening ........

My response to this (and any other rule that is different in FED than OBR) "that is the rule skip, you don't like it? Write a letter to Indianapolis."

[LMSANS]

 

Thanks guys.  I could not find anything that would make the play legal, but can not reason why the two base award on an easy defensive play.

Don't ever try to use logic when dealing w/ the NFHS rule set!

 

Can you imagine this happening and having a coach come unglued??  I can see it happening ........

My response to this (and any other rule that is different in FED than OBR) "that is the rule skip, you don't like it? Write a letter to Indianapolis."

Actually, write the letter to your state rep, Indianapolis will just throw it away.

[kanedog]

mjr,

 

As to the first part of your question (FED's "reasoning") I have no idea - though I suspect it has to do with the author's conflation of a lodged ball and illegal use of detached equipment; as to the 2nd part, ANY time a fair batted ball becomes "lodged" it is a 2-base award (TOP) to all runners including the BR.

 

JM

JM,

A thrown ball lodged in offensive uniform is one base from TOT, correct?  I know it's a different situation but it makes it a different award.  8-3-4f

[jjskitours]

NF Rule 8-3-3f. Only if runner attempting to advance at time ball became lodged