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I'm glad to be back! The PowerPoint is attached on here somewhere. If you have any trouble with it, just let me know.

 

Changes include: bat alterations, coaches electronic equipment and video usage, and extra warm-up throws.

 

POE's cover Legal/Illegal pitching positions, pace of play, compliant bats, risk minimalization, and good sporting behavior.

 

Mechanics changes: Elimination of the delayed dead ball signal, and repositioning for U2 with runners on 1B and 3B.

 

In the "Notes" in Normal view on PowerPoint are some additional, well, notes on a lot of the topics. 

 

EDIT 2/10: I had to clear the actual PPT to clear some file space, but you can get to from my Google Drive here: http://goo.gl/CT1xv .  It  SHOULD work on PC's, tablets, and phones, and if you have any problems with it, let me know. If you'd like the "real" PPT, just PM me and I'll send it to you. 

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I'm glad to be back! The PowerPoint is attached on here somewhere. If you have any trouble with it, just let me know.

 

Changes include: bat alterations, coaches electronic equipment and video usage, and extra warm-up throws.

 

POE's cover Legal/Illegal pitching positions, pace of play, compliant bats, risk minimalization, and good sporting behavior.

 

Mechanics changes: Elimination of the delayed dead ball signal, and repositioning for U2 with runners on 1B and 3B.

 

In the "Notes" in Normal view on PowerPoint are some additional, well, notes on a lot of the topics. The only North Carolina specific entries are at the end and are marked accordingly.

 

 

This is great.  Thank you!

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Question about the Delayed Dead Ball Mechanic.

 

According to the power point this chance in in the Umpires Manual.

 

I have looked all over the new Umpires manual and can not find it.

 

 

Anyone know where it is? Officially?

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The change was that the DDB signal was removed from the list of official NFHS signals. It's gone, without comment or reference, just as if it had never existed.

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The change was that the DDB signal was removed from the list of official NFHS signals. It's gone, without comment or reference, just as if it had never existed.

 

 

Yes but were does it officially say this besides an unofficial powerpoint.

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The change was that the DDB signal was removed from the list of official NFHS signals. It's gone, without comment or reference, just as if it had never existed.

 

 

Yes but were does it officially say this besides an unofficial powerpoint.

http://umpire-empire.com/index.php/topic/51091-nfhs-delayed-dead-ball-mechanic/?p=142945 from November 25th, 2012...

 

http://umpire-empire.com/index.php/topic/51097-ode-to-a-dead-rule-mechanic-or-equipment/?p=142975 from November 26th, 2012...

 

Both unofficial posts...

 

http://www.nchsaa.org/page.php?mode=privateview&pageID=110#.UO7fAeTAeNA about a third of the way down the NC High School Athletics Association page is the original PowerPoint by NFHS Rules Editor B. Eliot Hopkins. He seems to be a pretty reliable guy.

 

"Based upon the recommendation of the Umpires Manual subcommittee, the NFHS Baseball Rules Committee eliminated the delayed-dead ball signal.  There is still seven scenarios that constitute a delayed-dead ball situation.  While the scenarios are still valid, the process in identifying an infraction and making the proper award no longer includes that signal."

 

I'm sure that there will a LOT more coming from NFHS in the very near future. But, as BretMan said, it's just not there anymore.

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The change was that the DDB signal was removed from the list of official NFHS signals. It's gone, without comment or reference, just as if it had never existed.

 

 

Yes but were does it officially say this besides an unofficial powerpoint.

 

 

That is the Federation ppt that is shown at all of the rules meetings throughout the country except in states that choose to not follow FED, NCAA, or OBR mechanics...

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That was my thought- the PowerPoint presentation is an official NFHS document.

 

They seem to be slow in getting our 2013 rule book, manuals and pre-season materials sent out this year. I don't have anything yet, but wonder if this change is covered in the pre-season baseball guide that NFHS publishes. They usually cover all of the coming year's points of emphasis there.

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The change was that the DDB signal was removed from the list of official NFHS signals. It's gone, without comment or reference, just as if it had never existed.

That's because it never should have.

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That was my thought- the PowerPoint presentation is an official NFHS document.

 

They seem to be slow in getting our 2013 rule book, manuals and pre-season materials sent out this year. I don't have anything yet, but wonder if this change is covered in the pre-season baseball guide that NFHS publishes. They usually cover all of the coming year's points of emphasis there.

You can always see the Rules Book on the NFHS Central Hub on Arbiter

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Back in November when I posted about this it was from a newsletter from my association. The wording in that memo was WORD FOR WORD the same as in this power point. It's definitely an official mechanic change, and we all should be happy we never have to use it again.  :yippie:

 

What the memo is not 100% clear on is, does FED want us to point to the DDB infraction and verbally state "That's Obstruction" (or whatever the case may be), or say nothing until the play ends, then call time, and state what you have?  :shrug:

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Back in November when I posted about this it was from a newsletter from my association. The wording in that memo was WORD FOR WORD the same as in this power point. It's definitely an official mechanic change, and we all should be happy we never have to use it again.  :yippie:

 

What the memo is not 100% clear on is, does FED want us to point to the DDB infraction and verbally state "That's Obstruction" (or whatever the case may be), or say nothing until the play ends, then call time, and state what you have?  :shrug:

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First, here's a web link to the NFHS presentation on my Google Drive for those of you that don't have PowerPoint ---> http://goo.gl/CT1xv

It should open and work just like PPT, and should be accessible on most mobile devices.

 

Second, Richvee... good question and thanks for that post back in November. I just happened to trip over this when I went digging for more info. After talking with a couple of guys that I work with often, and from what I've been able to learn so far, it's a "say nothing" without the signal until the play ends.

 

More to come?

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Back in November when I posted about this it was from a newsletter from my association. The wording in that memo was WORD FOR WORD the same as in this power point. It's definitely an official mechanic change, and we all should be happy we never have to use it again.  :yippie:

 

What the memo is not 100% clear on is, does FED want us to point to the DDB infraction and verbally state "That's Obstruction" (or whatever the case may be), or say nothing until the play ends, then call time, and state what you have?  :shrug:

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I read through it again, and here's the quote from NFHS:

 

"In lieu of using that signal when one of the seven scenarios that constitute a delayed dead ball situation occurs, the umpire will allow for playing action to cease, call “Time!â€, identify the infraction and make his award."

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Back in November when I posted about this it was from a newsletter from my association. The wording in that memo was WORD FOR WORD the same as in this power point. It's definitely an official mechanic change, and we all should be happy we never have to use it again.  :yippie:

 

What the memo is not 100% clear on is, does FED want us to point to the DDB infraction and verbally state "That's Obstruction" (or whatever the case may be), or say nothing until the play ends, then call time, and state what you have?  :shrug:

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I read through it again, and here's the quote from NFHS:

 

"In lieu of using that signal when one of the seven scenarios that constitute a delayed dead ball situation occurs, the umpire will allow for playing action to cease, call “Time!â€, identify the infraction and make his award."

 

That sounds to me like they want us to say nothing. Not even acknowledge the DDB situation at the time it happens. As far as I'm concerned, that's just going to make us look bad.

 

 For example, if a runner is obstructed, or a batter interferes with a catcher's throw to put out a base stealer, we're supposed to say nothing until the play ends. Meanwhile we'll have coaches, players, fans screaming "That's interference!!!". Now, after the play, we call time and say "Yes, batter interference!". or "Yes, obstruction happened there". 

 

Now the OC is going NUTS claiming we let the fans/coaches/players call that. That we didn't call it when it happened. We let the coach influence our call.

 

And honestly, that's what it's going to look like.   

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You beat me to it Rich. At least us verbalizing and pointing saves us some bitching. This way we are going to hear about it for the whole darn play.

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I don't think anyone is going to reprimand you if you verbalize the infraction when it happens, just like in other mechanics.  

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