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  1. Know what that makes the ones who just work games with wrinkle shirts, dirty pants, misses rotations, socallizes extensively between innings and has a whatever attitude? Lollygaggers. Sent from my SM-F721U1 using Tapatalk
  2. How do you like the SSK pants Chris?
  3. Thanks MIB. Appreciate the trophy and comments. I didn't say it doesn't matter, I just said it is lower on the priority list for me. Being a good partner and calling a good game is far more important to me than matching undershirts. Or if I'm wearing black with grey panels, and my partner is wearing black with the white stripe, it just doesn't matter to me all that much. Now I'm not advocating for umpire wearing different color shirts, (although it has happened to me), if we're wearing 2 different colors or style of light blue, I couldn't care less. I've just worked with too many umpires that nitpick stupid SH*# and don't work on their game. I would rather they spend that energy on performance and getting better than their fashion. Conversely, I've worked with many a partner, (especially in our HS unit) that look like they haven't bought new pants, shirts, or hats since the late 90's. I appreciate looking good and trying to match, but I don't really want to nitpick people, (especially the newbies who are trying to learn) in this day and age of an ever shrinking pool of officials. I just don't think being the strict fashion police is helping recruitment and retention.
  4. I find those two statements oddly dissonant. But I wholeheartedly endorse any picture of Marisa Tomei in any pants.
  5. I'm with you. I care about neatness and presentation. You know what I want in a partner? Some one who is presentable, easy to get along with, works hard at their craft, and takes the avocation seriously. I don't give a F*#K if we're wearing the exact same pants, or shirt, or wearing the same patch, or any patch for that matter, whether our hats match, or the ball bags are the same color as our belt, or our undershirts match. If you want to wear a Godawful white undershirt and I wear black like God intended, nobody F*#King cares. Can you do the job and do it well to the best of your abilities? Are you a good partner, can I rely on you on the field, are you willing to learn, study the rules, work hard, take feedback, admit your mistakes? That's the kind of partner I want, and the kind I want to be. I can't stand it when I work with a pompous ass that rails that our undershirts don't match, or we're not wearing the same style of black shirts. And then I watch his lousy mechanics, poor game management, can't hit a rotation to save his life, and overall dickness. But by golly, we have to match! Yeah, its nice to match, but you can still be good umpires even if you don't match exactly. And guess what, for the vast majority of us, it doesn't matter, and nobody cares. Look presentable, and work hard. Yeah, I don't recommend combo pants at all, however, everyone's situation is different, and matching uniforms are lower on my priority list.
  6. There are some guys that will wear combo pants on the plate because they like the cut of the pant… However, that is ill-advised working the bases… Since Smitty pants in my opinion are cut too wide as it is.
  7. Maybe I am over analyzing this, but, I still see Mona Lisa Vito, stating 'BAM! do you think the person that you just called out on a bang-bang play gives a duck about if you are wearing combo pants on the bases?' As I am reading this thread, I sit here with different experiences than what is being stated. I am not discounting anyone's experience on this subject or how they view the issue. Mind you, from past posts, anyone can get the picture that I am not a fashion icon. I can't tell you what other umpires' equipment/clothing is. I don't care about colors matching bags to hats to masks as I keep it simple. (I do care about neatness and presentability, though.) I perceive I am below the level as most of the regulars here due to limited experience and camps attended. Maybe you can call me content with the level I am at and what I wear. With that being said, I have never heard of an assigner, instructor, mentor, or senior umpire (for whatever that means) mention not to wear combo pants on the bases - to me or anyone else in listening distance. This site is the only place I have heard it. Maybe due to my flat ass, bowed legs, and giddy up, everyone feels to leave it alone with me, IDK. Well, anyways, gave me an opportunity to post Marisa's picture again, that has to be worth something.
  8. Slimmer pants intrigue me, too. But my fat ass would have to lose that spare tire I'm carrying around!
  9. A colleague who wears SSK pants reports that the plate pants do not have a saddle-seat stitch. There’s more leg volume between plate and base pants, but no outward distinguishing marks.
  10. I had a high school game this spring where I got to the field and then realized my plate pants were hanging safely by the washer at home. So I put my F3's on under my tailored(!) base pants. They were tight around the legs, to be sure, but not unusably so. Enough that I bet my partner (who I was talking to as I realized my mistake) and I were the only two people who even knew.
  11. … but not pre-hemmed, I gather. 🫣 Alot of the stigma attached to Combo pants is their employment by misers (penny pinchers) or Weekend (Tournament) Warriors. 4-6 games on a Saturday, wear the same fading/sodden pants for all games, plates and bases. College instructors / evaluators especially dislike them. As a college umpire, you are a direct representative of your assigner and his organization. They do not want to see unkempt uniforms, non-compliant shirts / jackets / hats (especially from an organization that isn’t theirs), deficient equipment (eg. a cheap stopwatch, or worse (your phone!) when you should have a RefTimer), or superfluous accessories (cooler totes, watches, bling-y chains, etc.). These POI (People of Influence) see you as an investment; so too, they want to see you invest in your appearance. They have a mandatory 30 minutes between games; thus, you best spend them refreshing your uniform, entirely if need be. That the Combo cut works best for you on Plate isn’t the problem; just don’t let “them” see you wearing Combos on the Bases.
  12. I use the Smitty pleated poly-spandex with waist expander. If you didn't have an opportunity to view the big kid behind the plate recently, I'm NOT a skinny build. Being 5'10" and 265, my legs are a little more robust. All of the weight room time while in the service now haunts me when I try to put leg guards under combo pants. As a side note for you "more slender" types, keep your eyes open for GD to release some new pants (word has it) this fall/winter. VERY comparable to the Smitty...The ones that we were sent for the LLWS are charcoal, poly spandex, flat front with NO waist expander, and legs are tapered. Well, the pant legs are tapered........not mine.
  13. Dropped off a new set of plate / base pants today.. Flat fronts for the bases, and pleated for the dish. Having the base pants tapered down to a 7 1/2" opening. Trying to look solid for camp season!! I am intrigued at the idea of wearing combos on the dish. I wear the F3 shinguards and i am confident they would fit. Has anyone here tried that "combo"?
  14. There having a big sale on these slacks. This used to be the gold standard for Umpire slacks. Do you guys think they are too outdated to wear ?(like wearing Heather grey) https://honigs.com/products/mlb-pleated-poly-wool-plate-pants
  15. BASE PANTS, more baggy than the Honigs ... (plate also), but moreso w/ the base
  16. the problem w/ the Smitty poly spandex is that the base pants are ROOMY also!
  17. Me too and still going strong. They don’t see daily use because I want them to last..maybe forever! They are noticeably baggy when wearing them with a partner wearing poly spandex pants lol
  18. Had a pair of these years ago. They were legit. Loaned em to a guy who forgot his plate pants, he was going to "get them dry cleaned and return them to me"....that was at least 10 years ago. I still know who he is and if i see him.................................................................
  19. I wear combos on the plate with Force3 shins. Skinny build. Like the skinnier look and don’t feel restricted or tight. Plate pants look like clown pants on me. I don’t have flat front yet but that will be my next purchase.
  20. Because of the number of games I do, at the variety of levels (all 60-90 full diamond), I have to maintain several sets of pants. All are Smitty PolySpandex without The Expander waistband. I’ve tried Honig’s, but the version I tried was remarkably thinner than Smitty, and while that’s appreciated in the blistering heat of Arizona, it flaps rather easily in any breeze. I considered giving Davis-by-Fechheimer a try, but that high-quality fetched a high price… when I need quantity. True plate pants are the way to go. Unless, and only unless, you are of a slim build, of a short stature and slim build, and you use thinner, more conforming shinguards, then you can wear Combos. Combos have the reinforced seat of Plate pants, but less leg volume. Think of them like boot-cut jeans. For shinguards, Force3’s are pretty much the limit. Champros are ideal. Wilson’s are not. Pleated pants have to be constructed just right, lest that paunch / codpiece appears when one goes HOK. It really shows on the Smitty w/ That Stupid Expander waistband. I’ve worn flat fronts before… they do make you look really athletic. I’m tempted to get them again, perhaps only as Base pants.
  21. Plate pants usually have some reinforcement that I don't believe combo pants have. Pleated all the way.
  22. 1) I still get "plate pants", but I also get them tailored. 2) I prefer pleated, myself. But I also don't have a particularly skinny/athletic build. Flat fronts can look really good on somebody that is built that way.
  23. Thanks Max, this actually isn't too far off from what I do. I have an F3 that I use and it holds my hat carrier, spare socks, jocks, cups, gloves, etc.... I do use the "daily drawstring bag" concept as well, and yes, I do have a clothes bar where I hang my shirts, jackets, pants, and CP. Thanks Keith .... I'd be interested to see your layout. As I said above, I do have an F3 and it sits in the back of my SUV, but I'm typically not going into it on a daily basis, except for my cup, and my indicator. The back of my vehicle is set up where I can just grab my daily stuff. My F3 is used to 'store' things and on the rare occasion, go into a venue to change, etc. But, once the season starts, I'm not "in and out" of the bag every day. The plastic drawer concept is intriguing for sure, so photos could help. P.S. I also have a Honigs garment bag that can come in handy.
  24. Always will be the case (pun!). The premium Wilson Tax™️, guys… mediocre quality, premium price, all because it has the MLB logo on it. The MLBU’s don’t even use the thing in season. 🙄 @Thunderheads, I’d actually advocate for a 2-bag solution for you. Since you likely use a travel clothes bar in your vehicle, or hang shirts from one of the handles, then you’re not going to need all that huuuuuuge storage space in Wilson and other brand bags (such as the F3, Champro, Diamond, or Fūl (my brand of choice)). Sure, you put all your plate gear and base gear in the gear bag, with all the essentials. You get a hat carrier for your caps. You get one of those canvas or nylon drawstring bags, and put in there “today’s skins” – undershirts, tights, socks – things that you’ll put right back in there when done and tote to laundry. Then, get yourself a decent garment bag. The UmpLife model is exceptional (and on my purchase list). I use a less-featured model from Amazon, able to hold 2-3 shirts, 2-3 pants, and a wind/squall jacket. The important feature it does have, it folds and secures in half. If changing in a parking lot, then everything just stays in the car. If, however, we go into a locker room or changing room on venue, then grab the (smaller) gear bag, the garment bag, and the cap carrier, and off ya go. That Wilson is like an Ocean Cruiseliner on a small inland lake.
  25. Good points. Anybody who has been around a while might remember when Smitty first came out with shirts/pants they were garbage. I wouldn't have been caught dead in a Smitty shirt 15 or so years ago. But then Honig's had problems, + POS went away (anybody remember + POS being the official supplier of MiLB umpires? And no that's not Purchase Officials Supplies LOL) and Smitty's low priced offerings caught on and filled a void. Part of Smitty's lure is places like Ump Attire have no interest in manufacturing. If you look at prices from 15-20 years ago, a decent umpire shirt should cost more than $30 now. I remember Honig's made in USA shirts going for about $30 and state logo shirts going for like $35 and this is back in 2005 ish. But they were solid and worth it. Smitty's products have been better but I remember their knock offs of the New Balance third generation shoes, basically copying the exact shoe but swapping out logos. Their first generation umpire shirts I felt were very heavy and uncomfortable and prickly to wear (the precursor to the current V2 body flex material). Ive never felt or seen the actual MLB shirts this year the real MLB guys are wearing, but it seems like Smitty decided to make this a true "replica" in style and material. The material seems similar if not identical to what the MLB guys are wearing. I wonder if they save a fortune by basically copying the shirts and having them made by the same supplier (like they did with the NB plate shoes). Id be curious to know how the manufacturing of these items work.
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