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  1. I want to see what everyone thinks about this very common situation, basepath during a rundown or pickle and basepath in general, that I have seen called both ways multiple times. Rule set OBR Case A - A runner coming home and is about 6-8 feet away from the catcher when he sees the catcher catches the ball. At that point the runner takes a huge turn around to go backto third, he would deviate from the alleged basepath by about 4-5 feet, but the catcher at that point is not close enough to attempt a tag but is running toward the runner. Do you call the runer out for being out of the basepath or not since he is not officially avoiding a tag yet? Again there are interpretations. New Baseline Rule (2017) Changes Umpire Interpretation "A fielder’s movement toward the runner is sufficient. The rundown rule has not changed. During a rundown, the runner’s restricted 3-foot baseline starts the moment the rundown begins. It is a line to the base he is going to and a line to the base he came from-and he has 3-feet in either direction of those lines. The baseline changes with every throw. A tag attempt is not necessary." Base Path & Running Lane "It gets tricky in a pickle. When a runner is caught between bases and fielders have the runner in a pickle (a rundown), each time the fielders exchange the ball and the runner reverses direction, the runner has created a new base path . Each time you have this reversal you have a new base path because you have a new fielder attempting to make a tag (and therefore a new "straight line to the base"), and so you have to adjust your view of the base path accordingly. (On a side note, obstruction also comes into play in this scenario.) This clip shows a really good example of a pickle that goes on for several throws. Notice how, after each throw, the effort each fielder makes to get out of the way of the runner to avoid obstruction." According to them, once the rundown starts the runner will be forced into the basepath, the latter is described as a 6 foot wide hallway from one base to another. So if a fielder with the ball, who is simply chasing him, is considered a tag attempt. But I thought that just chasing the runner, even during a rundown, did not constitute a tag attempt. So 3 feet violation only applies if there is a real tag attempt, am I right? I mean if the fielder is far enough to not be able to apply the tag, even if he’s running towards the runner, then this is not considered an attempt tag and therefore even if the runner moves more than three feet is not punishable. Actually the fielder must be close enough to realistically tag. If he is far from being able to apply the tag should not count. In addition, the sites declare that the basepath is recalculated whenever the ball is thrown and exchanged by the fielders. But this is completely wrong. In umpirebible, the basepath would change every time the ball is thrown by the fielders, but this is not true. "each time the fielders exchange the ball and the runner reverses direction, the runner has created a new base path . Each time you have this reversal you have a new base path because you have a new fielder attempting to make a tag (and therefore a new "straight line to the base"), and so you have to adjust your view of the base path accordingly. " Although this is not true, the false myth is also perpetuated by baseballacademyrules. "The baseline changes with every throw." But actually the basepath would disappear during a launch and instead it changes every time the runner changes direction, not every time the fielder throws the ball, I think so, am I right? "They have a direct line from that point to either base, and then once they start heading towards that base, that's what they're heading toward, and now once they turn and head the other direction again, they have a straight line from that point to that base." GET OUT OF MY WAY! Umpire Coaching Podcast #2 As this podcast explains, the runner changes the basepath but only when a tag attempt occurs, neither before nor after. Running out of the basepath In this video, also, they explain that the basepath appears only in the point and moment of the actual tag attempt. So during a rundown a fielder chasing behind a runner with the ball isn't a tag attempt, or is it? I mean if a fielder chasing behind is far away from the runner is not considered a tag attempt, am I right? Other scenario: Case B - The runner is chased by a fielder with the ball, but the latter is 6 feet away from him, so a tag attempt is impossible at the moment, immediately after the runner moves sideways by 4-5 feet not to avoid the tag of the fielder behind, which would still be too far to tag him, but to adjust his physical position to avoid the possible and future tag of the fielder who is in front of him and who at the moment does not have the ball yet. What's the call? Is out of the basepath? I think he isn't. Ask UEFL - Out of Base Path Considerations in Seattle "A base path, on the other hand, is a direct line from the runner to the base being tried for, and is established at the moment of a tag attempt." But when does the basepath reset? For closecallsports is: "The base path "resets" or must be recalculated from the runner's new position every time the fielder throws the ball to someone else or makes another play. For instance, the base path resets every time a fielder throws the ball to a teammate during a rundown." The last sentence is partially incorrect, I think. Actually the basepath resets whenever there is a tag attempt. So let’s get to the last scenario. Other scenario: Case C - If the fielder has the ball but is far from the runner, let's imagine he’s six feet or more away from him, a distance such that an attempt tag is not possible to do, the tag attempt shouldn’t exist and runner is free to go where he wants, right? Case D - The fielder attempts a tag but the runner avoids it legally so the fielder remains unbalanced and starts chasing him again only after the runner is already 6 or 7 feet away, At this moment the basepath would have disappeared and would have to be recalculated again only when the fielder will be close enough to the runner again to realistically try to tag him, right? I mean a runner's base path is not established until the tag attempt occurs (begins) and the runner is restricted by the three-foot provision in OBR 5.09(b)(1) until: A) the runner arrives at the next (or previous) base, B) the fielder loses possession of the ball (e.g., by throwing it or dropping it), C) the fielder stops the tag attempt (e.g., to play on another runner or simply stops and does not stay at close range.). The tag attempt is valid only when there is a reasonable chance that the tag could be made, the runner’s basepath is established at that moment, as a straight line from the runner’s position when the tag attempt first occurred to the base they are attempting to reach. If the runner moves > 3 feet out of that straight-line basepath to avoid the tag, they are out. But if the fielder is far enough, so there is not a reasonable change that the tag could be made, there is not a basepath, am I right? I mean a fielder chasing behind a runner with the ball is not a tag attempt, correct? However, the official baseball rules do not specifically delineate such a tag attempt's timing. OBR's Definition of Terms specifies that, "a tag is a touch of the base/runner with the ball/glove," so a tag attempt, logically, is an attempt to touch the runner in this fashion ("attempt" is not defined). Easy way to think about this…would the runner have been tagged out if they hadn’t veered way ? Yes. So I think the answer could be that if the fielder is far away the rule does not apply. Am I wrong? As regards cases C and D As long as that same fielder who has attempted a tag still has a potential tag play (the fielder must retain the ball and must be close enough to tag him, i.e. a potential tag play on the runner), the runner is restricted from trying to avoid the fielder by running more than three feet to the left or right of the established base path. But if the fielder makes a tag attempt, fails, loses his balance and meanwhile the runner ran away and is now 6 feet away I think the tag attempt is gone. The other point of view on the subject is this: When the fielder with ball starts chasing the runner, although the latter is very far from him or anyway so far away that he can’t make a tag attempt, the runner is constrained in basepath. So they say that If you allowed this, then the runner could run all over on the field since the the fielder can’t yet physically reach them yet. In a rundown, a fielder is running at the runner, directly behind them… is the runner then allowed to veer way left or right to avoid them? I think if the fielder is near with a reasonable expectation to touching the runner, yes but if the fielder is 7 or more feet behind him, no. It is a simple enough rule, but it lacks needed specifics. What needs to be within 3 feet? Anything? Something? Everything? When does a tag attempt really start? When the fielder conceives of it in his mind? When he is 7-10 feet away? I think only when actual possible contact is evident and imminent, am I right? On 11/4/2023 at 4:20 PM, Senor Azul said: Here's something that might help you. In 2017 OBR changed/clarified its interpretation of the term "tag attempt." A fielder no longer has to have ball in glove or hand extended toward the runner to restrict his baseline. A fielder's movement toward the runner is sufficient. I, too, have read the "skunk in the outfield" blog analysis. The reminder that a runner must move directly toward a base is a good one. The Jaksa/Roder manual puts it this way, "A runner must prove by his actions and the way he positions himself that his intent is to reach a base safely (and to stay on the base if it cannot be overrun)." I don't think running away (backward) from the base meets that requirement. I’ve also read this from baseballaccademyrules : "Prior to the 2017 season, a runner’s baseline (excluding a rundown) was restricted by the fielder’s tag attempt with ball in glove or hand and extended toward the runner. This season, however, there is a rule change. A fielder no longer has to have ball in glove or hand extended toward the runner to restrict his baseline. A fielder’s movement toward the runner is sufficient." What is the rule that would have been changed? Where? Where can I read this rule change? Finally, my curiosity: Case E - If a runner, for example R1, tries broken mirror play, he runs to the pitcher and stands at a spot near the pitcher’s mound but slightly towards the path between 2B and 3B, in this case, I know it’s absolutely bizarre, would R1 have considered that he miss 2B? So could a fielder appeal?
  2. Contraddiction? And then how not to worry? That is the crux of the matter. I mean the runner is moving to the plate but then he moves backwards more than 3' to avoid the tag, legal? No, Beerguy, no one gave an answer, although I thank everyone who tried to help me anyway. Let’s re-read all the alleged answers better. Here we have another who says going back is legal. Going back is legal. Two opinions in favor at the moment. Basepath extends forever, so the only limit is right and left. Over three feet is illegal here. Basepath does not extend forever. 2-1. Why not worry about it? The questions here is this. What if he's moving to the plate but then he tries to avoid the tag by going back more than 3 feet? I would like to read the source namely the MLB Umpire Manual, does anyone own it? 2-2? He has the same doubts. Ball hits the basket but does not enter. We’re still on 2-2. So in this new answer going back more than 3 feet is illegal. This about the possibility of the runner, who missed HP, to avoid the tag by going back more than 3 feet. As you can see there is no precise answer. But I am beginning to believe that there is in fact no answer because the regulation does not provide for it. I just wanted to know if there was any manual or interpreter, like Evans, that ever explained it. Because at present there seems to be no official answer. Now let’s move on to the other unanswered question. Appeals can be made in both ways, namely tagging the runner or tagging the missed base. Good. But we’re talking about homeplate here, the two options, mentioned above, are not always available. The rule: (12) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision; Rule 5.09(b)(12) Comment: This rule applies only where runner is on his way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase him. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, runner must be tagged. So the situation is different than a normal appeal, where appeal can always be made with two options. Here we have two options, the question is: When must the catcher only tag him? Why and when can the catcher not appeal? What action should the runner take to block the possibility of appeal? I find only 8.2.2. M, where the casebook explains that if the runner starts coming back before the appeal happens then the catcher will only be able to tag him to get him out. But this case was challenged by a user here. I read an interesting article about the issue of appeal to HP. Special Rules Apply When a Runner Misses Home Play 1: "With a runner on second, B1 singles. R2 attempts to score and there is a close play at the plate. F2 misses the tag as R2 misses the plate. F2 jumps up quickly, steps on home plate and yells, “I’m appealing!” as he fires to second to prevent B1’s advance. As F2 appealed, R2 was (a) scrambling back to the plate, or (b) heading for the dugout. Ruling 1: In (a), R2 is not out and the run counts. F2 would have had to tag him. In (b), it is an appeal play and R2 is out since he left the plate area heading for his dugout." This seems to confirm 8.2.2. M. As it seems if the runner starts to return before the appeal takes place, then the catcher can put him out only by tagging him. The point of the matter is that the rule is still very vague. Until can the runner, returning, block the right to the appeal of the catcher, or anyone? How far can he get? Instead in softball we have an opposite rule. With missed bases, ASA has no stipulation (as in OBR) about having to tag a runner who is "in the vicinity" of the bag or returning to touch it. An immediate appeal is permitted, and is even given as an example in a case play. 2007 ASA Case Play 8.8-13 With no outs and R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B, R3 on 3B, B4 hits the ball back to F1 who fields the ball and throws to F2 at the plate after R1 has crossed, but missed, home plate. F2 appeals to the umpire: (a) while R1 is returning to touch home plate, or (b) after R1 has returned and touched home plate. Ruling: The run is considered to have scored unless appealed. In (a) R1 is out on appeal; in (b) the appeal is denied. (1-Appeal Play; 8-7C & I) What do you think? Who is right? I think there is no official answer here either.
  3. The problem here is that the two options are not always possible. So when must the catcher only tag the runner? When he tries to return before the appeal takes place or what? And when the tag attempt occurs could the runner, who missed HP, avoid the tag going back more than 3 feet?
  4. And Only these questions. I ask an umpire how he would behave in any of these situations.
  5. No, I do not. What are they?
  6. Nationals Lose Run When Marlins Appeal CJ Abrams Failed to Touch Plate - An Umpire Rules Review We have another video with a case where a runner misses HP and the catcher, instead of making appeal, chases him and tags him. The question is the same as before: why does he not appeal immediately? Why does he chase and tag him instead? Another unanswered question from the college video: why does the catcher not appeal? What do rules prevent him from doing so? Back to the new video, we have a short circuit in the rules. I mean if the catcher does not, or anyone else, appeal then the runner is safe and the run counts, but if the catcher decides to chase him, so legally there is still no appeal, the runner is forced into the basepath, if there is any tag attempt, although he would be sure as there is no appeal. Also in the rules, that is OBR, nobody talks about basepath if he should be tagged. The rule: (12) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision; Rule 5.09(b)(12) Comment: This rule applies only where runner is on his way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase him. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, runner must be tagged. We come to know that he will be forced into the basepath only in MLB Umpire Manual Interpretation [Runner Misses Home Plate]: "In such cases, base path rules still apply to the runner." But how the rule is applied, they don’t tell us. Watching Abrams' video, I come up with questions: 1. What if, while Marlins is moving towards him to tag him, Abrams turns around and tries to touch HP? In this case should Marlins only tag him or could he go back and still appeal? I mean the possibilities are appeal or tag him, or does the catcher just tag him? 2. What if, while Marlins is moving, Abrams turns around and moves first to touch HP? Appeal or tag him, or only tag him? 3. What if, while Marlins is moving, Abrams is on his way to dugout, so Marlins changes his mind and tries to go back to make appeal and immediately after Abrams turns and tries to reach out and touch HP? The same, appeal or tag him or only tag him? 4. If Marlins tries to tag him out and Abrams continues to his dugout more than 3 feet backwards than the catcher, is he out? 5. What if Marlins doesn’t have the ball yet and Abrams tries, after a while like in the video, to return to HP? 6. In the video at 0.14 If, at that moment, Abrams had tried to get Marlins back, would he have only to tag him out, or could he also make an appeal? So the problem is: when the is catcher only obliged to tag him and can he not appeal? Even in the college video it would seem as if the catcher can no longer appeal, in fact he, instead of making appeal, which would be the easiest thing, tries to tag him out. He got confused and he could appeal, or is he right since the rules would prevent him from doing this? The other issue of the thread is: once the catcher tries to tag, the runner is forced into the basepath, which prevents him from going over 3'' to the right and left, but also backwards? Once all these questions will be answered, the thread will be resolved.
  7. I know it’s a judgment call but the umpire cannot decide freely without rules, for example the question of the possibility of going backwards in the basepath remains. Ok, let’s imagine the situation where the catcher has to tag the runner, always guilty of not having touched HP, how would the basepath work in this case? No rules tell us. So how should an umpire behave? Inventing rules? Obviously we know for sure that the runner can not go over 3 feet to the right and left but this limit also applies to backwards? There’s a real void in the rules, isn’t there? However, we can use another alternative theory to that of the two basepaths: the basepath is a continuous line that connects the two bases, the next and the previous, and that has as pivot the runner, and is straight, coinciding with the baseline, or as a scoliosis, when the runner is out of the baseline, as in skunk play or brokern mirror play. This would also explain the fact that everything that is to the right or left of this line, even though it is crooked or angular at times, is outside the basepath line. The point is that the two basepaths theory doesn’t quite convince me because I don’t see a foundation in the rules, or is there anyrule or interpretation to support it? So with the theory of the "continuous line" we could allow the runner to back more than 3 feet during a tag attempt on a runner who missed HP, obviously he would be out if he exceeded 3 feet to the right or left. Conversely, if we follow the two basepath theory, if there is a tag attempt on the runner, who missed HP, he could not go more than three feet in any direction except towards HP. Which of the two theories is right? Or rather, which of the two theories is true? Choosing one or the other leads to two different ways of playing. Theory of the "continuous line": backwards more than 3 feet is legal. Two basepath theory: backwards more than 3 feet is not legal. Special Rules Apply When a Runner Misses Home Here they explain that if the runner tries to return the appeal does not count. The problem is when the catcher no longer has to tag the runner but can only appeal? In the rules there are, as mentioned above, two different, extreme positions between them. We also have this: 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual “On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, the umpire shall make no signal on the play…the runner must then be tagged if he attempts to return to the plate, if he continues on his way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal…” To this situation are added the others that I wrote above: So if the cathcer tries to tag the runner, obviously, can’t move more than three feet to the right or left, but, in this case of missed homeplate, could the runner avoid the tag by going back over three feet or is out? This is one of the two questions. But in this case, i.e. the video, the runner does not return immediately so why does the catcher not immediately appeal or he couldn't? What if the runner takes 4-5 steps only to stop his momentum and then tries to touch home, in this case appeal or tag? If the runner is going toward dugout but he changes his mind and tries to touch home immediately after the catcher can appeal? Or immediately before the catcher made appeal? Or if the runner misses home and is on his way to the bench, after the catcher tries to chase him so he turns and tries to HP, can the catcher appeal or must he tag him out? Or the catchers turns first and then the runner turns and tries to go to HP? And is the runner out if the catcher, in this case he must tag him, tries to tag but the runner goes backward 5 feet away to avoid the tag? What if the catcher doesn't have the ball to make appeal so the runner turns and tries to get back only after 5 feet. And only then the catcher fields the ball and tries to appeal?
  8. What do actions made by the catcher or by the runner make either the appeal or the tag mandatory? I mean when is mandatory to tag the runner or to make an appeal? What are the criteria?
  9. I don’t ignore anything and I don’t have a theory. I don’t have my own narrative. I simply read the rules and some books about it but I was completely confused. Now does this two basepath theory have any foundation in rules, interpretations or caseplay books? Basically this theory would provide two basepaths, one towards HP the other towards 1B, only that the one towards HP is blunt because the runner can not touch HP unlike what happens with the basepath to 1B, right? Instead between the normal bases (1B-2B, 2-B-3B, 3B-HP), there would be two complete basepaths one to the next base and the other to the previous base. In these cases the theory works great. Instead when there are situations where the two basepaths form an angular basepath, like skunk play or mirror broken, that is when there are two directions that the two are not 180 - opposite each other, would going back from one of these basepaths over 3 feet be a violation? Actually the catcher moves towards the runner but the latter is not eliminated to be out of the basepath. I might think that the catcher didn’t get close enough to R3 for the action to be considered a tag attempt or maybe when he tried to tag him the runner didn’t go back over three feet, if that’s illegal in this case. See below, minute 3.59. Case Play Answer - Catcher-Runner Standoff Was Out of Line I believe, however, that simply chasing the runner does not constitute a tag attempt, so in this case three-foot violation wouldn’t count. The youtuber says that, for him, when the catcher moves towards the runner this would be a tag attempt, although I doubt it, and then he says that the runner would be out because he moves to his left but not because he went back into the basepath. Following this theory, if there is a tag attempt on a runner, who has missed HP, he is constrained in basepath, so he can not goes more than 3 feet either right or left or back? Is there any rules that support this? Here we are to the other matter. We have a contradiction between this caseplay book and the note to the rule. The big question is: How long can the runner avoid the appeal and have the right to be out just for the tag? I read this: "In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision" The first part would seem to agree with 8.2.2.M Here it seems that if there is no effort to return then the catcher, or anyone, can appeal. But if the runner tries to go back then he will have to be tagged. The problem is the comment: "Rule 5.09(b)(12) Comment: This rule applies only where runner is on his way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase him. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, runner must be tagged." Here it seems that even if the runner tries to return before the appeal this will not be enough to avoid the appeal. Here it seems that the only way to avoid the appel is to try to return immediately. But what if the catcher does not yet have the ball to make appeal and the runner moves after a while to try to return to HP? What I understand is: If the runner has not yet tried to return then the catcher can appeal. Instead If the runner’s action of going back to touch HP takes place before an actual appeal then the catcher will have to tag him. And after, when the tag attempt will occur, there will be a problem. I mean when the tag attempt occurs the runner, who misses home, can retreat back more than 3 feet to avoid the tag? Or is this limitation only for the right and the left?
  10. In this case, e.g. runner tries to return to home, when he attempt is made. Can the runner back away again or does the basepath end at the tag attempt point? So once the runner starts retreating, he's backed away from the basepath and is therefore out right? Maybe there is not an official answer?
  11. The problem is that if this theory, i.e. two basepath, was true then all these actions would be illegal: retreating back from the HP more than 3 feet to avoid a tag, obviously only when a tag attempt occurs and when the runner misses homeplate, and this would not explain a rundown where the runner retreats toward HP to avoid being tagged by 1B more than three feet, but this is legal. 8.2.2 Situation M: With R2, B2 hits a grounder to left field. R2 touches third base but misses the plate in attempting to score. F7 having thrown home, F2 steps on the missed base to retire R2 and throws to F6 in an attempt to put out B2: (a) before R2 attempts to return home; or (b) after R2 attempts to return to touch home plate. RULING: (a) Upon proper defensive appeal, R2 would be ruled out. (b) Since R2 initiated action prior to the defense touching the plate, R2 must be tagged to record the out. R2 may legally return to touch home if he has not touched the steps of the dugout and if a subsequent runner has not yet scored. So if the runner starts to return to HP before the appeal has taken place then should the catcher only tag him out? So the runner can may legally return to touch only until if he has not touched the steps of the dugout? Until then he can turn and go back and would any appeals no longer be valids? Put simply, when does the catcher lose his right to appeal? What do actions made by the catcher or by the runner make either the appeal or the tag compulsory? But when there is a tag attempt, following this theory, what are the two baseth?
  12. Right, this distinction between finite or infinite basepath is killing me, I really don’t understand anything anymore. So during a tag attempt on a runner who missed the homeplate, could the runner be out if he retires back from his current position more than 3 feet to avoid the tag? Also why does, in this case, the catcher chase him and then touche him, could he not simply step on the plate and appeal? Nationals Lose Run When Marlins Appeal CJ Abrams Failed
  13. If I had a umpire to consult, I certainly wouldn’t have come here for help. We are just reasoning about two situations, one of which has already been resolved, i.e. back to HP to avoid the tag. Now the point of the matter is that the rule in question, as far as I know, is unclear and does not seem to cover all situations. I’m also trying to use closecalls video as an archetype for other similar situations, that I tried to imagine and list above. I agree with The man in blue that the rules are too vague and ill-explained at times. The idea of two basepaths between bases, mentioned above, would be the most logical but I don't know if it has a solid basis in the rules. This theory would explain the straight basepath between bases and the angular basepath in skunk play. The other side of the coin is that this theory would prohibit retreating back from the HP more than 3 feet to avoid a tag, obviously only when a tag attempt occurs and it would also prohibit retreating toward HP to avoid being tagged by 1B more than three feet toward HP, but the latter would be legal. Anyway in the video the catcher, after a while, could not simply steps on HP and appeal? Why does he not do this? Is he confused or are the rules preventing him to do so? I’ve also read this that could help us but could also complicate the situation: 8.2.2 Situation M: With R2, B2 hits a grounder to left field. R2 touches third base but misses the plate in attempting to score. F7 having thrown home, F2 steps on the missed base to retire R2 and throws to F6 in an attempt to put out B2: (a) before R2 attempts to return home; or (b) after R2 attempts to return to touch home plate. RULING: (a) Upon proper defensive appeal, R2 would be ruled out. (b) Since R2 initiated action prior to the defense touching the plate, R2 must be tagged to record the out. R2 may legally return to touch home if he has not touched the steps of the dugout and if a subsequent runner has not yet scored. So if the runner starts to return to HP before the appeal has taken place then should the catcher only tag him out? So the runner can may legally return to touch only until if he has not touched the steps of the dugout? Until then he can turn and go back and would any appeals no longer be valids? Put simply, when does the catcher lose his right to appeal? What do actions made by the catcher or by the runner make either the appeal or the tag compulsory? In light of this, I venture to respond to my situations, well aware that evidently I will fail. I think the runner can go back, even more than 3feet, to avoid a tag, but I don't know if there is a limit or the runner can back where ever he likes as long as he doesn't enter dead ball territory and doesn't veer more then 3 feet to the left or to the right of the base path for the purpose of avoiding a tag. The runner starts to go back before the catcher made any appeal, so I think there’s only one option left: tag him out. I think he can. Tagging him out not appeal. No, he doesn't, I suppose. No, he can't anymore. But still I hope that someone more experienced than me will respond to these situations. If we read Situation M 8.2.2 then we can understand that if the runner tries to go back before the appeal happens then the appeal will not be enough. Am I wrong? Is it not the case that there are no official answers? I’m just trying to figure out what the rule is, that’s all.
  14. The video is very good but so many questions remains. So if the cathcer tries to tag the runner, obviously, can’t move more than three feet to the right or left, but, in this case of missed homeplate, could the runner avoid the tag by going back over three feet or is out? But in this case, i.e. the video, the runner does not return immediately so why does the catcher not immediately appeal or he couldn't? What if the runner takes 4-5 steps only to stop his momentum and then tries to touch home, in this case appeal or tag? If the runner is going toward dugout but he changes his mind and tries to touch home immediately after the catcher can appeal? Or immediately before the catcher made appeal? Or if the runner misses home and is on his way to the bench, after the catcher tries to chase him so he turns and tries to HP, can the catcher appeal or must he tag him out? Or the catchers turns first and then the runner turns and tries to go to HP? And is the runner out if the catcher, in this case he must tag him, tries to tag but the runner goes backward 5 feet away to avoid the tag? What if the catcher doesn't have the ball to make appeal so the runner turns and tries to get back only after 5 feet. And only then the catcher fields the ball and tries to appeal? These scenarios remain unanswered? I know they are absolutely rare situations but this is just to explore and better understand the rule.
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