DerekGDS

For anyone who has been waiting for a silver frame, it will be available late December/early January.

@Rock Bottom the Cloud4 w/ skin and frame should come in around 20.88oz. It isn't necessarily the format (sure the zipper adds some weight but it is negligible), but rather the material choices. What is inside the cores and the functionality of how everything works together is far different then AS pads.

@BLWizzRanger an alternative would be to pop a few stitches in as below and that should work but that's easier said then done on a finished product.

They have 1mm HDPE disbursement plates on all top and bottom cores.

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I asked our Mizuno rep. He said he has never seen them and assumes they're likely a Japanese market shoe.

Yes, it does take some effort to get them into the socks and requires two hands. Get the pads in there good, then compress the pads, while zippering and take it slow. It's a good 1-2 minute process but we upgraded the zippers to *hopefully* prevent the issues we had with the smaller zippers in the prototypes. Since that change we haven't had any issues with our durability testing.

Yes, I will honor the pricing for anyone who wishes to wait to get everything in hand at once and avoid a separate shipping fee.

I'll take care of anyone who cannot get them right now due to out of stock. Just shoot me a PM or derek@ and I'll get everything in line for when stock is available again.

No, it's fine in all temps but if you're working in warmer climates/temps all the time I wouldn't recommend the microfiber suede personally. Some might not care at all but it retains more heat and might not be the most comfortable option in warmer temps. Just my personal opinion.

@FranklinT - We have reserved inventory to cover warranty requests. I can spare one just shoot me a PM and I'll get you squared away on Monday. I don't see an ETA for more Cloud4's though so can't do a backorder on them.

The best way I can describe the test using plain english is imagine the material having 200-ish grit sand paper plus roughly 2.2 lbs of force rotating on it 800 times. So much more force and much more abrasive then facial hair. The microfiber suede wont bleed color from sweat alone, but when wearing you basically get both factors. Perspiration and rubbing. It meets the baseline standards of the testing but there might be slight color transfer/loss in instances of extreme moisture and extended wear. The fabric that faces the frame right now is lycra. We need the stretch to bond it with the molded EVA so this color fastness would only impact microfiber suede against your face.

My advice on the socks is: Go with mesh if: You want an extra little cushion feel to the face. It is a thicker spacing mesh to provide a softer feel. You work in temperatures almost exclusively above 70 degrees Consider microfiber suede if: You work in lower temperatures and actually want to trap some additional heat for a higher ambient temperature in the pads. You like the feeling of microfiber suede (obviously) You're OK with these degrading faster then the mesh socks. (short/stubble facial hair will degrade these much faster then mesh. We did test these against ASTM D3884 test parameters for abrasion resistance and it passed 800+ cycles and it has excellent resistance to sweat staining but wet + rubbing means limited colorfastness overall) I wouldn't put the Tango2 or Shear3 on my own personal face in temperatures below 65 degrees. Thats with me assuming my skin/breath brings the ambient temperatures of the pads up to at least 70 degrees. On the other hand, there are people who use pads like TW in lower ambient temperatures so it really all about what you're comfortable with. The viscoelastic foams approach their glass transition, becoming increasingly rigid and uncomfortable at about 59 degrees in which I absolutely recommend to not wear them in those conditions. The Cloud4 is meant to fill that gap and be an alternative to individuals who just do not want a medium-firm to firm pad.