Velho

Not fighting, just pointing out as a pedant: Yes, moot to the outcome of the play but very important to digest how MLB umpires do and not apply the OOB rule.

One handed 2 finger V* starting up and then pointing straight down * The nice 'peace' version. Not the other one that anglophiles may think of.

My $0.02: do whatever is needed to get the job done, whether that means signals between partners, whoever initiating, whatever the signals are. If you pregame it (or the implicit understanding exists), it's all good. Regardless, if you need them, do them. As I get back into / learn the intricacies of 90ft 4-umpire (R3 Only still getting me to think twice), I do signals for my own benefit. They may not be conventional but they're of value for me (especially last night as U1, R1 being held on with R3/R1 and I grokked that even though I'm in tight I've got CF in to the RF line and reverse rotation). Until I've got it cold I'll do them. If you want mirror for validation, ask for it. I know if I'm having a hard plate game, BU mirroring my signals can help me feel supported and get me out of my own head.

Agreed this is poppycock. Which is why I go out of my way to tell my partners they can initiate signals.

Do you consult for LL? This is supposedly why "they" (only heard it virally and not first hand but understand it's coming from the head UIC (and maybe Gerry?)) are phasing out the wrist tap for two fingers straight down.

https://www.facebook.com/unitedumpires/videos/will-little-the-wedge-tracks-adaptation-at-first-base/419921925097698/

Lindsay reviewed it

Tangent since it came up: There is a longer version covering all 3 bases that I'll try to find in a shareable form but this is great for those plays Plus a real world application

Here is a better video view. Note the comment that the "tag attempt wasn't good enough" (though that's what the manager said he heard not what was said). And not to cloud the issue but the nature of this call later in the game may be telling. #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm

Did the famous jgp901c have anything possible in mind?

I appreciate the kind redirect. I've edited my post entirely.

EDITED TO AVOID CONFUSION FOR MORE POOR READING SKILLS R3 lost the right to 3B and was tagged before reaching their base of home plate. That's an OUT. Cites from USA Rulebook https://www.usasoftball.com/official-rulebook/ Rule 1 Definitions: FORCE OUT: An out which may be made only when a runner loses the right to the base that the runner is occupying because the batter becomes a batter-runner, and before the batter-runner or a trailing runner has been put out. Section 7 THE RUNNER IS OUT (c) When, on a force play, a fielder contacts the base while holding the ball or tags the runner before the runner reaches the base. R2 was out when F5 touched 3B before R2 reached it. OUT Almost a triple play.

And maybe batter sight lines

Plus "where in the world is Carmen San Diego?"

https://geosports.app

It's on Reddit if easier to view there for folks https://packaged-media.redd.it/6j4hcs1sad5h1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4

I see a lot of bad acting but no fake tags - which is immediate thing that comes to mind as a possible violation by the defense.

This is NFHS OBS delayed dead ball rule is sounding more and more like the runner halfway to the next base advance/retreat rule I got drug into and did in 8U last night...

Since we're diving into HS OBS in the other thread, anyone else have anything on OP? Restated here for discussion purposes: NFHS rules. R1/R2, 2 out. Single to RF, R2 touches 3B. F9 to F2, R2 gets in rundown. R2 is obstructed. PU calls and signals, "That's obstruction!". R1 advances to 3B and R2 returns safely to 3B. R1 believes he is in jeopardy since it is R2's base and is tagged out retreating to 2B. BR stayed at 1B. Playing actions stops. Based on Interps, R2 scores. What do you do with R1?

fwiw 2025 pdf https://www.midamericanumpireclinic.com/_files/ugd/1a02a4_cade668e958743f090a2e39bee5bf8bd.pdf

If referring to OP, I have the attempt underway at the video opening. If the second video, I have it at F2 catching the ball (early in 0:09)

https://youtu.be/t6M82xCxTfI?si=mxzgZxrpEVtSywTP

Adding this as conversation fodder:

Where does the base path end? As an awesome Reddit comment on a different OOTBP thread said "Love when a good distinction between "line" and "line segment" becomes relevant"

Please show your work (having fun not trying to be annoying) For example, at the below moment the runner's armpit is over the back line of the catchers box which is 8' from PoP