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  1. Out of curiosity, why are head-first slides now considered legal in travel baseball? Just like SeeingEyeDog, my association also covers games for a travel league that used to ban head-first slides at home plate. Is it because the organizers feel that players no longer need the "training wheels" rules that Little League has up through the Majors level? (Little League has Intermediate, Junior, and Senior divisions, but teams in those divisions are not as common) 

  2. On 8/25/2020 at 11:17 PM, stkjock said:

    Also, unlike other sports, if a coach or manager is ejected, there’s no real penalty to the team

    Coaches penalty in other sports

    basketball - technical, opponent gets free throws

    football - unsportsmanlike gets 15 yards for the opponent 

    hockey - I have not idea LOL 

    In hockey, a player on the offending team serves a 2-minute bench minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, if not a 10-minute misconduct penalty. The bench minor penalty gives the other team a power play (they play with 1 more player for the duration of the penalty, unless they score). So in hockey, a coach being ejected gives the other team a better opportunity to score. 

  3. On 8/2/2020 at 1:01 PM, Matt said:

    Don't. Umpires, as a matter of practicality, will not forfeit a game (unless we have been told specifically to handle given situations with that consequence.) We suspend and let the governing body determine the outcome.

    1. An umpire will already be perceived by some as biased and/or emotional because of the conflict of the coach. Sometimes this may actually be true.
    2. Having the governing body rule on it strengthens the credibility of the umpire.
    3. If the governing body does not agree that it should be a forfeit, the umpire has not declared something that was reversed (which it would have been anyway if they had declared one.)


    I am not afraid to forfeit a game when the rules allow it and the situation warrants it. I have forfeited the game described in an earlier thread. I was also the U2 for a varsity girls basketball game that ended in a forfeit when the home coach walked off the floor to protest that his player was ejected for using profanity directed at an official ("these are some Bull$#!t refs"). He was arguing after the free throws were shot, I had to assess him a T (He waved off my partner in the Trail, the Referee, and told him "that's ridiculous" after being warned by the U1(the Lead official) for coming towards him to argue an out of bounds call and kicking the ball), and I told him that he lost coaching box privileges. I did this because I was the only official not involved in the original sequence of events. He chose to leave the court, so the Referee decided to declare a forfeit. That said, I really prefer not to forfeit games unless I have to. A coach not complying with sportsmanship rules, especially after ejection, is definitely grounds for a forfeit where the rules allow for one. 

  4. That has to be a joke. No way USSSA will really be adopting that.

    How would plate specialists be  reconciled with MLB's push for automated balls and strikes systems? If the better balls and strikes umpires become plate specialists, maybe we wouldn't need ABS (not that we need it now). 

  5. If the ball is not batted, then only the runners have to advance one base safely. If the ball is batted, then the batter and all runners have to advance at least one base safely (including missing the following base, since the runner is not out until his base-running infraction is appealed and the opportunity to correct said infraction is lost). 

    Jimurray, R1 was protected to 2nd base on the balk. Once he advanced to 2nd safely, the balk no longer is relevant. The out at 3rd base stands, since R1 advanced to 2nd, the base he was protected to, and went beyond his protected base at his own risk. 

  6. In my area, adult baseball is OBR, as is Babe Ruth, some rec baseball, and some travel baseball. One of the travel leagues uses Fed rules.

    I, too, call BS on the fact that umpires will kick the live ball balk rule. It's simple to umpire. Identify and verbalize the infraction, then let the play finish, and afterwards call time to decide what will happen (if not everyone has advanced safely).

  7. 16 hours ago, yawetag said:

    Agreed. If the funds magically appear, they'd have better results by taking that extra umpire fee and paying it to the two that already show up. That would attract more to the craft.

    Not saying that money is the reason most of us do it, but it doesn't hurt. Especially in a sport where officials typically have to spend a few hundred dollars before they even enter the field.

    I disagree. I would rather have 3 umpires, even if they get paid less individually. This is because 3 umpires = more slots, which would lead to more assignments for each individual umpire. This would allow umpires to earn more money over the course of the season than they could if they worked only 2-umpire games. This would be the same for high school, lower-division college games, and the bottom rungs of the minor league ladder. 

    In addition, having 3 umpires during the regular season at the high school level would make it easier for umpires come playoff time, because they will already have consistent experience working with 3 umpires, and would not have to learn a new system from scratch just for a few games after the regular season ends. 3-man would also make it easier for umpires to learn 4-man, and perhaps use that in the playoffs. 

    I, for one, would love to see 3-umpire mechanics become a standard part of professional baseball at the lower levels, and for the MiLB to release more materials on 3-umpire mechanics. 

  8. On 11/21/2019 at 2:19 PM, Umpire in Chief said:


    But, what is possibly the lower leagues went to a 3-man system which could almost balance everything out.

    I hope that happens, and that Umpire School also starts teaching 3-man.  This would encourage college to universally go 3-man, and maybe trickle down to high school as well. 

  9. I think Umpire in Chief is trying to say that if the number of minor league baseball teams is reduced, fewer umpires might be needed. This would mean that either fewer people get hired out of umpire school, or more people currently in the minors will get released. 

  10. On 11/12/2019 at 6:48 AM, dumbdumb said:

    Good for her.

    But, my main complaint, are the D1 women basketball women being reached out to/recruited by the men for promotion to D1 men's positions, like the NBA is doing for women officials. I don't think so. Same for D1 baseball. Men are being reached out to for positions on the women's roster and have been recruited for years, but that two way street does not appear to go both ways.

    There is an obvious feeder system in place already for D1 women to move from the D1 women roster right over to the D1 men's roster, just like the NBA has the women in the  WNBA feeder system move over to the NBA, and they are being recruited and reached out to. This is not happening at the D1 level for the women, or IMHO you would have seen women working D1 already and probably even before seeing women in the NBA. Where was Dee Kantner after her NBA career?, or was she asked by the D1 men and she turned D1 men down? She came back to D1 women but was she even recruited by the men?

    And I could not find a plate assignment for Kelly Dine in the mid-American conference either. Just a based assignment. Cripes, she is former military, so getting the chance to work men is a no brainer and about time for her. Good for the mid-american. Now to get her on the conference list, not just the non conference list. And hopefully mid-American is reaching out to other softball women on their d1 mid-American softball list for future D1 baseball consideration.

    Crystal Hogan got hired by Bobby Dibler to officiate men's college basketball in the Pac-12/West Coast Conference/Mountain West/WAC/Big Sky consortium. She won't be the last woman working men's basketball either. 

  11. 2 hours ago, agdz59 said:

    I haven't read anything more than the two posited cases and looked at the picture.  If I get a batter doing that for more than the one pitch after which I tell him to stop, he's out for making a mockery of the game.  And he's out every other time he tries it.  Next!

    He meant "every time other than the first".  I'm calling a strike on every pitch over the plate that would be in a normal strike zone. Cut that crap out!

  12. This doesn't make sense. The point of P/DH is to allow the pitcher to simulatenously occupy 2 positions, pitcher and DH. If one position is replaced, the P/DH remains in the other positions. Further substitutes for the replaced position (a P/DH remaining as DH, but replaced as a pitcher) can replace the original replacement (pitcher) in this example, while allowing the former P/DH to remain in his other role. If a P/DH gets replaced by a P/DH, that new P/DH can be replaced by either a pitcher or another hitter, and remain in the other role. Maybe NFHS will allow that in the official version of the rules for next season. 

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  13. I have never seen any game administration personnel at the field, except for specific tournaments (e.g. the Cougar Clash, a tournament for 13 and 14 year olds in Vienna, VA every May) and for high school games, so no TD is apparently the norm for travel games in my area. 

    Fortunately, most games do not have that level of idiotic and unsportsmanlike behavior by the participants. However, it would help if there were game administration personnel at travel baseball games to keep order, especially when only 1 umpire can be present. 

  14. I immediately called time when the catcher was knocked down, then spent a few seconds processing the situation, and finally made my ruling of malicious contact against Blue 8. I was in the wedge to rule on the tag play that was developing at home, so I could see what happened. After I called time, I stepped back, processed the information, and came up with the decision. 

  15. On 5/11/2019 at 10:08 AM, dumbdumb said:

    All I know was that I decided to attend a State Meeting one time and the Head of the State Athletic Association spoke and said the number one reason officials were telling his office that caused them to quit was the deportment and unsportsmanlike conduct of the 'coaches' towards the official. 

    Now, nothing was mentioned how little the State's clamp down and basically intentionally/designed/and premeditated (I use those accusatory words as an IMHO without all the analytics at my disposal which might totally refute my IMHO harsh accusatory words), since we are still having those problems to this day, unless it is a grossly major violation that even grandma/grandpa with cataracts from a mile away can see and rule on) conveniently turn their heads and let their coaches run amuck.

    Not once was a major initiative mentioned to investigate by attending unannounced, games by state officials (ie- not professionally dressed up and not without the state badge prominently displayed, yes dressed in $10 dollar jeans and a $5 dollar polo that is not named brand and tennis shoes, cheap converse not Michael jordans, and yes, paying money to get into the game).

    Nothing was mentioned about checking up on black balling when officials who do enforce sportsmanship and deportment issues by coaches locally all over the state, and the association's that allow coaches to rule and decide how little enforcement they want, which is basically none whatsoever, versus what the State's write that they want done. Otherwise the coaches will go find another official 's association that let's them run up one side and down the other on their officials because the coaches are the big dog that wags the tail and you know it.

    It all starts at the top. If the State office clamps down on behaviour issues and no black balling of officials by coaches and the association's that allow it, who enforce coaching unsportsmanlike conduct, things could change in a heartbeat. Notice the coaching behavior and the officials that will enforce bad behaviour at the State Tournament in front of all the State Office People with their dressed up clothes and badges displayed, versus regular season sportsmanship, deportment and antics.

    I also say the above from attending games at schools where the coaches are expected to toe the line with a minimum (basically no comments at all) of comments about calls or the officiating.

    Since the players and fans have no coach screaming and yelling/flapping towels/ taking off shirts/ stomping feet/ whining and complaining verbally/ all night to get them going, the games are generally well behaved by all party's involved with no drama and just a minimal of a small gasp to a call every now and then. The fans, who many times do not even know a lot about the finer points of the rules and are just there to watch the kids play and have a good time, rather than reacting negatively all night long due to a drama king/queen coaches theatrics which is exactly what they are trying to do, designed premeditated yada yada, hence the term home court advantage.

    Let the coach's coach, the players that is (hence the name), players play, officials officiate, and everyone on and off the court (fans) enjoy the game and competition.

    P.S. And yes, I feel like it is totally acceptable for one time a year, a coach to tell an official as he comes by, boy these calls are stinking it up tonight, and get his technical foul for the year. No harm in this once a year.

    It would make total sense to have people from the state association attend games incognito, then observe violations, report back to the state office. In that way, state officials could observe coach behavior in its natural habitat, not just read ejection and unsportsmanlike conduct reports filed by game officials. 

    Imagine the look on the coach's face when Bob in the black t-shirt who was sitting in the 3rd row of the stands walks into the locker room after the game, and tells him that he has been fined (or suspended) by the state office for his actions. 

  16. 16 hours ago, Matt said:

    Some merit? I suppose, if you mean it in the literal sense, there is merit to this that is greater than zero, but not much.

    What does BU do on a grounder to F6's right or F5's left? He'll be looking up the ass of that play to 1B. What happens on a footrace on a ball hit to the right side? Not a chance. F4's rushed throw pulls F3 towards right field? You have nothing.

    Isn't U1 looking up the ass of that play from C anyway? It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. 

    Re: merit, I meant that in the literal sense. I wanted to play devil's advocate and see if there was a situation where U1 in D might make sense for a 2-umpire game. 

  17. 2-man U1 in D for R2/R3 or R3 only was just a thought experiment on my part. I wouldn't do that on a real field during a real game. U1 in D with R3 only might have some merit, because R3 would disappear on a base hit, and U1 could cut towards 2nd base as a U3 would in a 3-man game, to pick up the BR. However, I would rather stay at C if there was a possible play at 2nd base or 3rd in an R2/R3 situation. 

    The 3-man system has a better solution (U1 in B, to be able to go either to 2nd or 1st base, with U3 in a (short) D position), but it would take some time before 3-man is generally adopted during the regular season. 

  18. What's the loss? C is already a long way away from 1st base, and the saying for 2-man is angle over distance, so I don't see any major downsides to starting in D with R2/R3 or R3 only. With R3 only, U1 in D is in an excellent position for the pickoff, and can cover the back end of the rundown, with HP taking the front end of the rundown. 

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