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Senor Azul

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  1. From the website findlaw.com: the short answer is it depends upon the school. Most colleges and universities hold student athletes to a written code of ethics, which typically includes disciplinary procedures. While most of the listed violations are not criminal in nature, such as disrespecting your coach or failing a class, they often include administrative penalties for criminal arrests, charges, or convictions. Unlike under criminal law, schools are free to impose certain penalties even before the case has been adjudicated. Schools vary in how they handle criminal matters, but most schools have an extrajudicial process for addressing an alleged (or admitted) violation of the code of ethics. This may consist of an elected board with a mixture of students and administrators that hear arguments from both sides and imposes sanctions. However, the school's athletic director often decides the fate of student athletes who are accused, charged, or convicted of a crime. University of Washington - "When a student-athlete has been arrested or charged with a violation of criminal law, the student-athlete will be placed on administrative suspension from all team activities pending further investigation. If the alleged criminal activity would constitute a misdemeanor offense, the head coach may lift the administrative suspension after obtaining the approval of the sport administrator. If the alleged criminal activity would constitute a felony, the administrative suspension may be lifted only upon authorization of the Director of Athletics." (Student-Athlete Handbook) Lassen Community College - "If charged with a misdemeanor, a student-athlete will be automatically suspended from athletic participation by the Head Coach, pending the Assistant Director of Athletics’ investigation. Appropriate disciplinary action will be taken which may include such progressive discipline as mandated counseling sessions, ineligibility to practice, ineligibility to start in contests, sitting out contests, or continued suspension from the team." (Student Athlete Handbook)
  2. Senor Azul

    Call reversal

    To our guest, John schilling, what rule set was your game played under? It does make a difference. Any other details could be helpful such as age group, did the umpires actually call time, and did they actually confer? Here’s what I mean by rule set making a difference. In the 2021 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual it states (in section 8.4, p. 148) the following: Some judgment calls are not subject to reversal. These include steal and other tag plays (except if the ball is dropped without the umpire’s knowledge); force plays (when the ball is not dropped and foot is not pulled); and balls and strikes (other than checked swings). Also, some calls cannot be reversed without creating larger problems. An example is a catch/no catch situation with multiple runners. It goes on to say that, “managers are not entitled to a second opinion simply because they dispute a call.”
  3. Mr. Velho, high school baseball has a courtesy runner rule by state association adoption. Yes, it is possible to get an out for an improper courtesy runner. Under Courtesy Runner rule 7 a player who violates the CR rule is considered to be an illegal substitute. And according to NFHS rule 3-1-1, for discovery of an illegal player on offense by an umpire or either team, that player shall be called out. Also, NAIA collegiate baseball has a courtesy runner rule. Until 1950 the Major Leagues allowed courtesy runners. There is a long list of courtesy runners who appeared in a Major League game on the website retrosheet.org.
  4. By golly, you are right, Mr. elares. I just looked up LL rule changes for 2021 and they are now allowing local leagues to adopt their own courtesy runner rules. Thanks for pointing that out. I got lazy and figured 2019 was recent enough.
  5. Mr. Velho, you can’t find anything for Little League because courtesy runners are not allowed. Here are the only mentions in the LL rule book of the term courtesy runner. (Rule 7.14 deals with special pinch-runners.) 2019 LL rule 3.04 - A player whose name is on the team’s batting order may not become a substitute runner for another member of the team. “Courtesy runner” not permitted. (See Rule 7.14) INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: ➔ This rule is intended to eliminate the practice of using so-called courtesy runners. No player in the game shall be permitted to act as a courtesy runner for a teammate. No player who has been in the game and has been taken out for a substitute shall return as a courtesy runner. Any player not in the lineup, if used as a runner, shall be considered as a special pinch runner. (See Rule 7.14) Otherwise, treat it as a substitution and the previous batter must stay on the bench until the sub plays six defensive outs and bats once. 4.15 - A game may be forfeited by the umpire-in-chief of the game in progress to the opposing team when a team – (d) after warning by the umpire, willfully and persistently violates any rules of the game; EXAMPLE: Encouraging base-runners to leave base early, violating substitution rule by using a courtesy runner, etc
  6. Was your tournament fast pitch? If so, then I think the following rule is the applicable one. USSSA Fastpitch rule 8-3-B tells us… (Non-ELITE SELECT divisions): if, and only if, no eligible substitute is available, then, and only then, the Last Completed at Bat (LCAB) may serve as a courtesy runner, subject to all other applicable restrictions (cannot run for both positions in the same inning, etc). PENALTY: If an ineligible or incorrect courtesy runner is utilized and is discovered while still on base, the courtesy runner shall be called out and a team warning issued. On the second offense, the head coach is ejected for the remainder of the game only.
  7. I couldn’t find anything for NCAA that talks about the combination of a balk and an HBP. I did find two sources that tell us to use the principle in the NCAA rule 9-3 Penalty 1 that Mr. Jimurray cited. George Demetriou in his 2019-2020 College Baseball Study Guide says this on page 144: “The results of the play determine whether the balk is enforced or ignored.” I also found an old article from Referee magazine that says exactly the same thing: The results of the play determine whether the balk is enforced or ignored (NCAA 9-3 Pen. (1); pro PBUC 8.9-2).
  8. From the 2017 Jaksa/Roder manual (p. 108): Flight of Thrown Ball and Tag Attempts A runner has interfered with the flight of a thrown ball, a throw absent a batted ball, or a tag attempt only if such runner (1) commits an intentional action that falls outside the scope of trying to get to a base safely and to stay on a base if it cannot be overrun, and (2) such action hinders a fielder trying to throw or trying to tag. NOTE: Interference with the flight of a thrown ball does not require contact. Also, a runner is not exempt from interfering because he has become out or touched or passed home plate. Such runner can still interfere and cause the out of another runner. A runner is allowed to continue to advance after being put out (e.g., believes is not out) and such an advance is not to be considered intent to interfere.
  9. Mr. Sw-ump, I don’t want you to be misled. What Mr. noumpere alluded to is FED rule 2-4-2 (in the definitions). ART. 2 . . . A base on balls is an award of first base (often referred to as a “walk”) if a batter receives four such balls. The batter must go immediately to first base before time-out is called. A base on balls is a live ball award and no substitution can be made during a live ball situation. FED has a case play illustrating this rule—it’s case play 2.4.2 SITUATION. It is an immediate dead ball situation when a batter is hit by a pitch. A substitution can be made then legally.
  10. 2019 NFHS rule 5 SECTION 1 DEAD BALL ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when: a. a pitch touches a batter or his clothing (8-1-1d), a runner (8-3-1a); 2019 NFHS rule 3 SECTION 1 SUBSTITUTING ART. 1 . . . After the lineup cards are official (1-1-2) prior to the game, the player listed as pitcher shall pitch until the first opposing batter has been put out or has advanced to first base. In any other case, a substitute may replace a player of his team when the ball is dead and time has been called…
  11. Yes, there is umpire judgment involved and yes the detached equipment must actually touch the ball. FED addresses the issue of detached equipment in rules 8-3-3a-c (the base awards), 8-3-4, and 8-3-5a. It also has case plays dealing with this issue— 8.3.3C for usage of detached equipment on a thrown ball 8.3.3F for usage of detached equipment on a batted ball 8.3.3L for usage of detached equipment on a pitched ball However, the FED does not go into detail about the actual mechanics the umpire should use on this kind of play. In fact, the only place I could find where the mechanics are discussed is in the 2013 Wendelstedt manual—I originally posted the following in August 2019. “The umpire will immediately signal a three-base award. The ball is left in play and runners may advance beyond their award at their own peril. If the defense gains possession of the ball, and no runner is attempting to advance, the umpire will call time and award the runners their bases. “If, when the defense gains possession of the ball, at least one runner is attempting to advance, the umpire will leave the ball in play until all action ceases, or until a runner is tagged before reaching his awarded base.” P101: No one on, no outs, 1-2 count. The batter lines the next pitch fair down the first baseline. The right fielder throws his glove and strikes the ball just before the BR reaches first base. The ball shoots farther away into foul territory. When the right fielder finally throws the ball into the infield, the BR (a) has stopped at second base. (b) is tagged while sliding into third base. (c) reaches third base safely. (d) is tagged while sliding into the plate. Ruling: The umpire should signal a three-base award when the ball is touched. In (a), the umpire should call time and award the BR third base. In (b), the umpire should call time when the BR is tagged, and award him third base. In (c) and (d), the play stands.
  12. Senor Azul

    MLB rule

    Giving the ball to a fan after a catch is considered to be the same as throwing the ball out of play. The actual Major League rule that covers this kind of situation is 5.06(b)(4)(G). And as Mr. maven has already posted, the penalty for throwing the ball out of play is two bases from the time of the throw (which is when the ball actually leaves the hand of the fielder). One of the more famous instances of this happened in 1994 when Expos outfielder Larry Walker caught a foul fly ball and immediately handed the ball to a kid in the stands. You can see video of this play on YouTube.
  13. In 1893 the current distance of 60 feet six inches from the pitcher’s plate to home plate was established. From 1893 to 1898 a pitcher could do almost anything his devious little mind could dream up to get runners out. Then in 1898 and 1899 the first of the balk rules we know today entered the rule book. 1898 rule 32 A Balk shall be:… When the pitcher feigns to throw the ball to a base he must resume the above position and pause momentarily before delivering the ball to the bat. If the pitcher fails to comply with the requirements of this rule the umpire must call “A balk.” Sec. 6. The making of any motion the pitcher habitually makes in his method of delivery, without his immediately delivering the ball to the bat. Sec. 7. If the pitcher feigns to throw the ball to a base and does not resume his legal position and pause momentarily before delivering the ball to the bat. 1899 Rule 32 A Balk shall be: Section 1. Any motion made by the pitcher to deliver the ball to the bat or to first base without delivering it. Sec. 2. The throwing of the ball by the pitcher to any base to catch the base-runner without first stepping directly towards said base immediately before throwing the ball.
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    Mr. agdz59, you cited rule 8.05(i) so that has to be a Little League rule, right? Actually, that would not be the applicable rule to the situation in the OP. Here’s the rule that we need [the corresponding OBR is 5.12(b)]… 2019 LL rule 5.11 - After the ball is dead, play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes position on the pitcher’s plate with a new ball, or the same ball in said pitcher’s possession and the plate umpire calls “Play.” The plate umpire shall call “Play” as soon as the pitcher takes position on the plate with possession of the ball. If an umpire puts the ball back into play when the pitcher actually does not have the ball not all the conditions of the rule have been met to enable the umpire to make the ball live again. The plate umpire having been fooled by the pitcher will be angry but by rule he cannot call a balk for anything happening while the ball is still technically dead. All the umpire can do is fix the mistake and issue a stern warning.
  15. Such a deal—only six bucks! Just go to the Babe Ruth League website and on the far right is a link to Store and then subpages League Supplies and then Rulebooks. http://store.baberuthleague.org/official-babe-ruth-baseball-and-cal-ripken-rules-regulations-and-playing-rules
  16. For the high school ruling here is a case play—please note, Mr. Realitant, that high school calls catcher’s interference catcher’s obstruction. 2019 NFHS Case Book Play 8.1.1 SITUATION F: R2 is on second base. After B2 takes his position in batter's box, F2 clearly reaches out over home plate (a) prior to; (b) after F1 has made a movement that has committed him to pitch; or (c) to receive the pitch. RULING: It is catcher obstruction in both (b) and (c), and B2 is awarded first base and R2 is awarded third base only if he was stealing on the pitch. F2 may not catch the pitch until it has passed home plate. In (a), there is no violation provided F2 and his equipment are removed from the area over home plate before pitcher has made a movement that committed him to pitch. (8-3-1c)
  17. The batter has the absolute right to the pitch and the catcher cannot take that away from him. It is catcher’s interference when the catcher is on or forward of the tip of the plate (in other words he is in fair territory) to get the pitch. By doing so he prevents the batter’s opportunity to swing at or bunt the pitch. In addition to the interference it is a huge safety hazard for the catcher to be where the bat can hit him. All of this is based on Little League rule 6.08(c)-- 2019 LL rule 6.08 - The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided said runner advances to and touches first base) when – (c) the catcher or any fielder interferes with the batter. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire of a decision to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference;
  18. From the 2013 Wendelstedt manual (p. 155): The actions as well as the inactions of an infielder should be taken into account as to whether the fly ball could have been caught with ordinary effort. Take the following situation: R1, R2, one out, no count. The batter pops a high fly ball over the pitcher’s mound. As all of the infielders come charging in towards the mound, the pitcher scrambles to get out of the way, and the ball drops in. While none of the other infielders may have had a routine play on the ball, the pitcher could have. He just chose not to. This would still be an Infield Fly. From the 2021 OBR Definitions of Terms ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions.
  19. I thought it was odd that I could not find any case plays involving running starts so I did a little research. I found that the rule entered the FED rule book in 1977 as 8-4-2k. Another strange thing is that the corresponding case play in the 1977 case book was not new. Here’s why—they considered a running start violation to be the same as a runner out of his base path to avoid a tag. 1977 case play 268. Play—To get running start after a fly or line drive has been touched, R2 stands more than 3 feet behind 2nd base. Ruling: R2 is out for being out of a base path to gain advantage. Umpire should declare him out immediately, the same as for a runner who leaves his base path to avoid being tagged out.
  20. According to the 2016 BRD (section 469, p. 312) in NFHS games a runner may not get a running start on a pitch or on a fly ball. The applicable rule is 8-4-2o. The runner is called out immediately and the ball remains alive. Both NCAA and OBR rule differently from FED. The relevant NCAA rule is 8-6a-2 and it tells us that the out is called only on appeal. For OBR the applicable rule is 5.09(c)(1) Comment. That comment tells us that the out for a flying start on a fly ball is made by appeal.
  21. From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.63, p. 76): Managers or coaches will be charged with a mound visit if they visit the mound during an inning break or after a new pitcher enters the game. (Under the comment to Rule 5.10(l), a manager is charged with a mound visit if he visits the mound to speak with a new pitcher after a coach removes the prior pitcher.) 2021 OBR Rule 5.10(l) Comment: …If the coach goes to the mound and removes a pitcher and then the manager goes to the mound to talk with the new pitcher, that will constitute one trip to that new pitcher that inning.
  22. Here’s the official interpretation that can be found in the 2016 BRD (section 290, p. 190): OBR Official Interpretation: Wendelstedt: After ball four, a batter becomes a runner. Since the ball is not batted, any hindrance that occurs on the catcher or the catcher’s throw must be intentional for interference to be called. For the FED the BRD states that there is no provision and to treat it as in OBR.
  23. Senor Azul


    The Little League rule book (2019 rule 1.09) only shows these distinctions— (Tee Ball: The ball may carry the words “Little League Tee Ball.”) NOTE: Baseballs licensed by Little League will be printed with one of two designations: “RS” (for regular season play) or “RS-T” (for regular season and tournament play). So apparently there are differences in the way that the balls are made depending on the intended age group and level of play. When you visit the website littleleague.org and go to the page listing all their licensed equipment suppliers you do find that Senior League balls are marked as such—the words Senior League are actually printed on the balls. I cannot answer your question because I could not find any discussion of it online. Several of the approved suppliers (Rawlings for example) do make a ball that is labeled Senior League and those balls seem to me to be distinct from the ball made for the younger age groups. Every Little League approved ball has raised seams for better grip and accuracy. But the difference is inside starting with what kind of core is used such as cushioned cork or rubber pills.
  24. From the 2016 BRD (section 105, p. 88): Play 80-105: A batted ball hits a sea gull in left field. Ruling: The ball is fair or foul depending on the position of the ball WHEN IT HITS THE GROUND OR THE FIELDER. Such a ball may be caught for an out. Nate, check out a video on YouTube titled Top 10 Bird Moments. It includes four Major League Baseball instances of birds involved in the play. Probably the most famous of them is the time Randy Johnson threw a pitch in a Spring training game and obliterated a mourning dove. Also included is the incident involving Dave Winfield who managed to kill a sea gull in Toronto in 1983. He was actually charged with animal cruelty by the local police. Fortunately, the charges were eventually dropped.
  25. From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (p. 137): If a batted or thrown ball strikes a bird in flight or other animal on the playing field, consider the ball alive and in play the same as if it had not touched the bird or animal. If a pitched ball strikes a bird in flight or other animal on the playing field the pitch is nullified and play shall be resumed with the previous count.
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