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  1. On 11/8/2021 at 8:50 PM, umpstu said:

    I enjoyed working a lot of freshman and jv games last season due to the fact of a 2.5 hour time limit.   And in our area a 2 hour time limit for conference games.

    Was made aware in Sept of the water polo fees.  Wonder what volleyball officials make?

    VB: V/JV DH 2/3 sets, $127 or $134 each official (2) depending on the conference; Freshman solo 2/3 sets $76.50

    Volleyball Tournaments on weekends 9 to 2:30ish Varsity $300-$350; subvarsity $250-$300

  2. @BabblingBlue68... There is no need to shoot any monkeys until they demonstrate that they want to be.

    I have ejected only a handful of coaches in twenty years of umpiring. The ones who needed to go or asked to go through their behavior were properly excused. None of them were personal. All of them, however, were deserved and I have regretted none of them . I have shot only one monkey, and the rest of the troop simmered almost immediately.

    Anyone who has seen me on a baseball field knows that I am competent, confident, and willing to listen. I won't yell across a field nor would I expect anyone to yell at me. Participants disagree with me at times and I with them, but there is no need for anyone to be disagreeable. Should they use that approach I make it abundantly clear that decorum will be maintained or one of us will no longer be counted as a participant. The message is usually received fairly quickly.

    You mention training in a couple of your later replies. You might do well to engage a camp of some kind that gives the opportunity for working with umpires outside of the LL setting. The perspective on relationships with managers and coaches shifts when parents are not the ones running the team. While there are arguments about calls in almost all levels of baseball, the way the disagreements are handled are much different in many cases. Others on this board have suggested embracing the ideas espoused in Verbal Judo to diffuse and redirect animated coaches. Even if it is only one skill that is improved, either of these efforts might be worth your time.


  3. There is a reason some umpires refer to coaches as rats. This tool is a great example.

    That he was around to make the second set of accusations is something that should have never been allowed to occur. Some one ought to school him on how to talk to officials. Some one ought to school him on appeals versus fishing for an answer he likes. Someone ought to clue him in that officials talk to one another. Someone ought to clue him in that bringing up perceived wounds from prior games gets tickets to the parking lot punched.

    He would not have been around to start a second round if I were in your shoes. The next time I saw him he would have no wiggle room. Say something stupid, ticket punched. Dump him every time until the message is received. Dump anyone who acts like this. Your afternoon always gets better and you will become more comfortable with every ejection. There is no regret in writing an ejection report that includes everything this jackass said.

    This guy should have been ejected as soon as he started with his prattling about whatever his gripe of the moment was. As our long missing friend @BigUmpire would have said, shoot one monkey and rest tend to fall in line. There is no game fee in the world that allows d-bags like this to stay with in sight and sound of a field when they are given enough rope to hang a warren full of rats.

    You said you partner was a senior guy who was "doing a great job behind the plate." Where was he when clown boy was demonstrating his ignorance for all to see? I would love to know how your post game conversation with your partner went. He allowed you to get steamrolled. You make no mention of your experience, so I presume that all of this ass-hattery is something you have no experience with or have not dealt with effectively (read eject). P-shah to the moral high ground. It isn't worth diddley squat. He should have been ejected..... twice.




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  4. The best of my students will sometimes disagree with me when we engage in discussions about US History. 

    Sometimes those debates offer the class a great chance to see academic excellence because there is passion and knowledge on display. In some cases, a student may have read something or been told something or made connections that are historically inaccurate. In those situations, the best of my students listen to many voices that offer advice that the information being cited is not factual.

    Sometimes my students become quite animated in the defense of their position. The really insightful ones listen to the voice of the many and consider that the initial position may be worthy of reconsidering. When they do listen to other voices they often see that their passion, while well intended, is being used to argue a moot point because their information is simply wrong.

    There is great satisfaction in seeing a very bright kid recognize an error, accept advice from others, and shift their position. The humility is refreshing.


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    On 11/3/2021 at 6:03 AM, Rotten said:

    I had a pitcher  last night not looking with men on and starting his pitching motion, when he finally looked up he see's the batter with one foot out of the box and my hand up and stops his delivery half way through. I called 2 balks on him as he did it twice in the inning the second time after being told to watch me for the point that the batter completely in the box and  is ready to receive the pitch,  What you say?


    I have some questions for you @Rotten.

    If you had your hand up and it was your belief that F1 could not pitch because the BR was not ready, and F1 reacted to your signal indicating he should not pitch, how is it that you called two balks on him?

    Those actions seem incongruent. How did they react to the balks you created? What infraction did you cite? How did you justify telling F1 to stop through your hand gesture yet penalize him when he did?

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  6. On 10/29/2021 at 2:05 PM, mac266 said:

    Obstruction, NOT interference, and it guarantees the batter-runner or runner the base he would have gotten to, in the umpire's judgement, had he not been obstructed.  USUALLY this means one additional base from where they stopped, or if they were thrown out at a base, they get that base.  In other words, since he scored, the run counts and the penalty is not assessed.  

    That's not quite accurate.

    In FED, it means the runner gets the next base even if the runner is retreating to the last legally acquired base.

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  7. 2 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

    That's on the coaches...they need to read the rule book also. keep their parents in check...and learn what a solo ump can and can't do.  And, many honestly don't realize it until it's pointed out.   TBH, I was expecting umpires to be super human (it was, in its own weird way, a compliment and a sign of reverence)...and then, the simplest of things, at a plate meeting, at community level, the guy just said "I'm working alone here, so I'm not going to see everything...keep that in mind please"...and a switched flipped in my little brain.

    Now, having said that, I will say that I find a lot of solo umps, experienced or not, develop tunnel vision, and don't see the periphery.  Maybe it's because some are used to working in multi-ump crews?  Don't know.    Or maybe that's what you're all supposed to do??   So, solo umps certainly can't have eyes on the back of their head...and even head on a swivel I think is too much to ask (though hockey refs learn this one pretty quick)...but they should be able to see a range outside of what they're directly looking at.

    I'll give one example...modified fastpitch, runners can't leave until the pitch crosses the plate...I'm F2, and ump is solo...I receive a pitch and I can see that R1 has left early (also, RHB, to make it really obvious)...I even say "left early" while the pitch is on the way...by the time I receive the pitch he's 3/4 way there and am unsuccessful throwing him out.   I said to ump "he has to wait until it's over the plate"...thinking maybe he's mixing up leagues and he's thinking it was "left the pitcher's hand"...ump says "what do you want me to do?  I'm looking at the pitch, not the runner".   I said "I'm looking at the same pitch...if I can see the runner leave you can see the runner leave".    

    Now, maybe that expectation is wrong?   I'm here, as always, to learn.

    It never cease to amaze me how few participants actually read any rules book. Not knowing the nuances of the three major codes is a reasonable limitations, but the basics like obstruction, interference, base awards, and the like ought to be something everyone should learn.

    The OP admits to not knowing. Even such a egregious misapplication of common sense, let alone a rule, usually fails to inspire the aggrieved to read a rules book.


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  8. 8 hours ago, MadMax said:

    What is this, softball? :fuel:

    You said “JC ball”… Typo? J_V_ ball? A Junior College game, even “fall ball” stuff, is relegated to a poor, pathetic skinned infield? Ugh. 

    Obviously, level / intensity of play influences a lot of this positional decision; however, there is a recent Ex-MLB Umpire here in Phoenix who is encouraging us to “get out of our comfort zone” on these situations and we’ll find the following positioning to be to our benefit – in terms of being in, seeing, and selling calls – than to our hazard or peril. What he’s advising, with the infield in, is a position I’ve called the C-Hatch-Cover. Typically (for here), there is a sprinkler head or hatch access cover to the hose outlet about 3 feet behind the mound. The BU takes up a position, hands-on-knees (ie. Ready) with his left foot behind this hatch cover (maybe another 3-5 feet), shaded to C. The F6 should be off to his right and behind. This is not a position for the cowardly lion, nor for the sluggish-of-shoe. This does, however, put you in a much more engaged position, able to turn and see a lined ball enter the glove of all 4 infielders, especially of F4 and F6. You are also able to maintain a much better angle for a backpick (from F2) to F5 upon R3, you are more responsive to a hotshot being cutoff and a throw or tag attempt made upon R3, stuck between 3B and HP, and if R3 is either frozen to 3B or he’s to the HP such that the defense abandons a play on him and then throws on to 1B, you’re already in a better position than at C Deep. 

    Consider it. 

    This positioning is optimal.

    Associations around here at the HS level teach the deep C, but that positioning runs counter to both angle and distance for any plays anywhere but 2B. It also allows you to stay out of the throwing lanes to 1B when F6 or F5 are charging a ground ball. The position may be a little hairy with a screamer up the middle, but the odds are in our favor that the ball is headed somewhere else.

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  9. On 9/12/2021 at 6:50 PM, Rich Ives said:

    Players have to agree with rule changes. Not sure they'd give that up.  :)


    Players do not have to agree. If MLB wants to implement a rules change they can. From the current CBA :

     If the Clubs and the Association fail to reach agreement on a proposed change which is subject to negotiation, the proposed change shall not be put into effect until the completion of the next complete succeeding season (including the Wild Card Game, Division Series, League Championship Series and World Series) following the date the change was proposed.

  10. I was a "No catch!" proponent until this year when I had a minor kerfuffle on a D3K. 

    @MadMaxoffered the same advice then as now. Every game, with every catcher, I now let them know what to expect. Whether it was college, high school, or rec, every F2, save one, thanked me for letting them know. Most said they have never had a PU ever discuss the D3K with them and that they appreciated the heads up on it.

    If that's what an evaluator has for me, I will consider that I had a very good game calling balls and strikes.

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  11. 2 hours ago, Chris Hickman said:

    … I just can’t believe we’re talking about flipping coins here…😩😩

    Isn't how many coaches think we make decisions on safe/out and ball/strike? Might as well start the game with all participants knowing that coin flipping is an integral part of umpiring.

  12. 14 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

    Tossing a penny or a dime into the dirt looks like you were unprepared and were fortunate enough to find a coin on the way to the field.  Get a flipping coin.  Get one that makes a good conversation piece, but is easy to see.  It shows you care enough to be prepared and properly equipped for the game.  It makes the coin toss easy (instead of digging through powdery dirt to see if you have Roosevelt or torches).  Besides, a fun story or joke related to the coin makes you personable and approachable.  All part of the first impression.


    Silver dollars are currency. They check all the boxes that seem to be a concern.

  13. 10 minutes ago, beerguy55 said:

    The coach IS your monkey.   If he wants to leave the dugout to engage a spectator (and cause a disturbance/distraction noticeable on the field) your appropriate action is to invite him to go all the way to the parking lot.

    On this we will agree to disagree. There are innumerable suggestions on this board about staying out of dugouts and not talking to the fence. This falls into both.

    17 hours ago, Guest CRC said:

    The opposing team's manager intervenes and keeps them apart.  Cooler heads prevail and the spectator leaves while the coach returns to the dugout.

    Seems like the poo throwing contest was resolved sans any umpire intervention. 

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