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  1. Just don't know why anyone would get heartburn over numbers. I don't see the rational, but I don't make the rules.
  2. Interesting. I wonder why they don't allow something so seemingly innocuous? I don't know why anyone would give a crap about numbers. Must be the same people that are adamant about wearing an association logo that no one cares about.
  3. Numbers are very common on shirts and jackets. I've never heard of not being able to wear numbers at any level. No association in my area prohibits numbers. Like noumpere said, I don't think anyone would care. Why would you think you cannot work games if you have numbers on your uniforms?
  4. I was taught and use my right hand for almost everything. Calling obstruction/interference/balks/awarding bases with my right hand. For instance, point with right hand and verbalize, "that's obstruction." Award bases, if any, with right hand. Similar mechanic in other situations as PU or BU. Often times as a PU, I won't point to the balk as my initial call. I will just verbalize, "that's a balk." Then take appropriate actions as necessary. If the pitcher for instance, rolls through his stop and delivers a pitch, you have to stay down and be ready, particularly when balks are live. Can't really come up and point. Just verbalize it. Exception is on a check swing appeal. As PU, I'll gesture to my partner with my left hand open while asking, "Name", did he go.
  5. I find that this is often the biggest time waster in games. When training umpires, I emphasize keeping the between inning time to a minimum. There are up to 13 inning changes in a 7 inning game. If an umpire spends even an extra 2 minutes per inning BS'ing with the crowd, coaches, partner etc, that tacks on an additional 26 minutes to the game. I teach that umpiring is not a social event, and you're not running for office, so keep the chit chat down. We don't get paid by the hour, so get the game moving. Agree with MadMax's advice in the first part of his post. You're there to work a game, and there is plenty of time to BS afterwards.
  6. Bought a Nike Ti from Whosyourcaddy. Decided I needed one, so early Christmas present to me! Called yesterday and was delivered today. I always wanted one, so I pulled the trigger. I'll put some TW pads on it. I'll probably break it out only on certain games. My regular mask is the FM4000 System 7, which I really like. Don't want to brag, but I figured a new mask is in order when I do the Tee-Ball WS next year!
  7. You keep bringing up starting salaries for teachers, but's that not even germane to the conversation. No where did I mention starting salaries. Even so. I would consider 44K a lot more than 30K, particularly with the benefits package in our area. You talk about college basketball officials making big money, but they certainly didn't start out making that kind of money. They worked their way up. There is very little chance for advancement for the majority working youth sports. And there is certainly no benefits package whatsoever. The point I was addressing to the OP, was that for the vast majority of amateur officials, it's not a career path. There is a difference between a good career and a job. A good career often involves good pay, a chance for advancement, benefits, and retirement. You're almost certain to not get that in amateur officiating. I said that there are exceptions, but those are few and far between, and take a long time to achieve. I'm not even sure why you're trying to take me to task on this issue. Your first post basically agreed with what I said. I understand you were talking about baseball only, but it certainly applies to other sports, too.
  8. Seriously. You're going to tell me what teachers make in my area when my wife works at a high school and has spent the last 30 years working at the 2nd largest school district in California?
  9. Not sure what part of the country you live in, but teachers in my area make way more than 30K. Factor in health benefits, retirement, PTO, sick leave, it is much more. I never said that you couldn't make 40K a year just officiating, but it's never as much money as most people say they make. Again, how many games can you realistically physically do each year? People claim they can work every day. But do they really? You can't compare being an independent contractor (read= self employed) to a teaching profession. You're incorrect about netting 40K, it is gross pay, not net. As Kyle said, as an IC, you have to factor in taxes, health care, and retirement. So even at 50K gross a year, there's still no comparison. And yes, I'm self employed, have been for 30 years. And if you think grossing 50K a year being self employed is big money, it's not. You're better off to work a $20-$25 per hour job with benefits. 50K gross being self employed is nothing. You're way below the poverty line. Again, people can do whatever they like, but don't delude yourself in thinking that amateur officiating will ever pay you big money. Yes, you can make some money, but never on par with a good career or a good business. I realize that I live in an expensive city. Officiating full time in my area with no other source of income, will never pay the bills. You can spin it however you like, but trying to officiate as your only source of income is a recipe for poverty. As you get older, things like health care and retirement become that much more important. I'm not stupid enough to kill myself doing hundreds of games for sh!t pay and no benefits. If you could make big money amateur officiating, we wouldn't have the shortage of officials plaguing the country right now.
  10. For the vast majority of amateur umpires/sports officials, it's not a career path, nor will it ever be. It's a part time, usually minimum wage or slightly better, hobby. You'll never be able to make money that will afford new cars, a mortgage, health insurance, retirement, etc. It's just not that kind of a job. Unless you have some other form of income, (other job, retirement or investment income, pension, spouse with a well paying job), it's going to always be poverty city. I live in a big city with year round officiating opportunities in various sports, and every single person I know that officiates full time as their sole source of income, looks like they live out of the back of their car. Not bashing anyone for their choices, it's just the way it is. I realize there are some exceptions, but they are rare. The college guys that are making decent money have paid their dues and took a long time to get there. In our area, most of the new guys breaking into college get only a few games each year, and those guys all have other well paying jobs. It takes awhile to make good D1 money. And even then, it's not that great unless you can get a large amount of games. I've done the math every which way, too, and it doesn't pencil out. In my area, HS varsity pays $83.00 per game. If you're able to do 100 HS games in a season, which is a lot of games (pretty much a game every day, we don't have too many DH's), that's only $8300.00 gross. You may be able to pick up some other games through youth ball (usually at $60.00 a pop), but your time is limited during the HS season. Say you can do 500 games per year, which is a sh!t-ton of games, at an average of lets say $75.00 per game. That's only $37,500.00 per year, gross. Even if it was $100.00 per game, it's still not enough to afford a decent lifestyle in this day and age. Even the minor league guys will tell you that they are living in poverty. And yes, you have to file and pay taxes, too. Do what moves you, but know the realities of what you are getting into. Maybe you can make a little more doing other sports, but in most areas with year round opportunities, the cost of living is too high to be able to live comfortably with only officiating income. Most people are better off to develop a career with good pay, benefits, retirement, and officiate on the side. My 2 cents worth.
  11. JonnyCat

    $500 Fine!

    Hahahahahaha. Sure thing, kid!
  12. JonnyCat

    $500 Fine!

    No, they borrowed it from CNN. Just as valid.
  13. The OP cited the FED rule, so type 1 or 2 obstruction does not come into play here. FED rules don't have type 1 or 2. In FED, whenever you call obstruction, the obstructed runner is always awarded at least one base as per 8-3-2. Yes, the runner would automatically get the next base. If the fielder obstructs the runner in any way , if said runner is attempting to advance to the next base, then at least one base shall be awarded. In the OP's situation, if I am to understand the scenario described correctly, it doesn't matter the position of the fielder. If the umpire deems that the runner was obstructed in an attempt to advance and the umpire calls obstruction, then by rule, you must award at least one base. There have been a couple of threads here a few years ago talking about being cautious when calling obstruction in FED, so as to not award any cheap bases. That would be a good indication of obstruction if the runner was trying to advance. If so, award the next base. The key to calling obstruction in FED is to make sure an advance was trying to take place. For instance, if a runner was obstructed while rounding 1B on a clean base hit with virtually no chance that the runner was going to advance to 2B, don't call obstruction. In FED, you don't have the luxury of 1 and 2. If you call it, you better award at least a base. If you call it and don't award, then some savvy coach may come out to have a chat. Ask me how I know! Hopefully I'm explaining it well enough.
  14. 64oz, that's good to know I've been exceeding that for years. With 2 of these regularly per day, I've been getting 80oz!
  15. That makes sense. Thank you. I wonder how may other leagues self insure.
  16. From what I understand, they are bringing in guys to work just a few games at a time, and are not having them stay for the whole tournament. I could be wrong, but that is the information I got for the Regionals. I'm assuming it's the same for the WS. Since they are rotating guys in and out, I guess it's just easier to run 4 man. They may have also had a harder time getting guys to do the games, given the relative short notice via the deferments. I know of at least one guy from the West here that is doing WP for the second time. You have to factor in travel and such. They are not using just local guys, so the pool is smaller. I think it has just been harder to get enough qualified guys that are able to work the tournament. Personally, I think 6 man is way overkill on the small diamond. 4 good umpires is more than enough to cover any LL game.
  17. They are using mostly 4 man this year because most of the umpires that were originally picked to do the Regional's and WS deferred to next year. LL gave everyone the option to defer because of the different format and restrictions. They are basically using "fill in" umpires to to both tournaments. The "fill ins" are guys that have had Regional or WS experience already. Some are getting to do a Regional and WS for the second time. Out of the 14 umpires that were selected to do the Western Region in San Bernardino, 13 deferred to next year. All of the umpires that were selected to do the Regionals and WS for 2020, that chose to defer, will have waited 2 years to get their chance. You might see 6 man in the semis and finals.
  18. Interesting. Is it that much cheaper to go with a different insurance than LL?
  19. Sorry, I meant a similar "pay for play" happened in one of our local umpire associations. It was not LL related. Some umpires may have been benefiting with big games for "helping" out an assignor.
  20. Ahh, makes sense. Something like that, not LL, was rumored to happen here in my town a number of years ago.
  21. Yes, ESPN pays a handsome fee to LL to televise the games. Leagues pay a charter fee to LL each year, along with an insurance fee. IIRC, when I was league president a number of years ago, we paid LL around $2400.00 per year to charter. It's up to the local leagues to charge whatever they deem necessary for each player. Generally in our area, it's around $100-$150.00 per player. Some leagues have large sponsor groups and charge their players less. Just depends on the league. When you charter with LL, it's basically a licensing agreement. You agree to do things their way, in return for insurance and using the LL brand. In addition, we paid a fee to our district each year. That was based on the number of players. Our league paid around $1600.00 each year to our district. That money went to support in season tournaments, TOC, and district All Stars, among other things. Leagues are responsible for hosting All Star tournaments up to the regional level. You have district, sections, and then State. State winners go to Regional. Regional winners go to the WS. It's similar on the International side, but instead of representing a state, they represent a country or a region. Interestingly enough, individual payment is not required to play LL. If a kids wants to play and can't afford it, the local leagues cannot deny that player. See reg XIII(c). I've never seen an admission charge to any LL event, and I don't believe LL allows it. An admission charge is permitted in levels above majors. The money LL collects goes to support Williamsport headquarters, as well as, the 8 Regional centers around the country. Headquarters and the regional offices have paid staff. Anything below that is volunteer. District administrators, along with local league board members are not allowed to take a salary. LL does not pay for travel except to the World Series in each of the divisions. They only pay for the team and coaches travel, lodging, and food. This includes any International team, too. I believe all the Regional Tournaments provide lodging and meals to the teams. Parents are on their own regardless. LL puts on a total of 8 Regional and 8 WS tournaments for Majors, Intermediate, Juniors, and Seniors. One each both for baseball and softball. LL does encounter considerable expenses to put on all the regional and WS tournaments. Some States have a large LL presence, while others do not. Regardless, it is a very large organization. LL umpires are generally not paid during the regular season, but can be. Many leagues do not have a volunteer program, but instead rely on associations to cover their games. LL umpires are not allowed to be paid for any All Star games. All Star umpire assignments up through the State level are assigned usually by the district, or the leagues hosting the games. Regional's and WS are by application and invite only. LL does provide lodging and meals for the Regional and WS umpires. They do not provide travel, however. You are on your own no matter how far you may have to travel. In order to be selected for a WS, you must have done a Regional first. No exceptions. Any Regional will qualify you for a WS in the Intermediate, Juniors, or Seniors division. Only a majors (12yo) Regional will qualify you for the Williamsport WS. The upper divisions Regional's and WS are faster to come by. The 12yo Regional's and WS can take years to achieve. In our district, we get a 12yo Regional assignment about every 8 years. WS can sometimes take many more years than that, if ever. Channeling my inner MadMax!
  22. Our weather is nice, though. So we got that going for us.
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