Richvee

My answer is B. B1 made it safely to 2nd. So the OBS is nullified and since they both got tagged B1 is out as the following runner when they both occupy the same base. Jax- I'm changing my mind. I believe you are correct. After reading 8-3-2 once again..... ... If the runner achieves the base he was attempting to acquire, then the obstruction is ignored.

OP says FED. so yes, R1 can be at 3rd . gotta love FED :wacko:

Wow. How'd I miss that case play? Sorry.

2012 will be my 3rd season doing high school games. There's no denying I've got a lot to learn, and I certainly don't mind researching and looking up rules, case plays, etc., but this year's state test is testing my knowledge more than the previous 2 tests I've taken. I certainly don't want to look like I'm just posting questions here to get answers, I'd like to know if I'm missing something in the FED rule book or casebook, or do I just need to do a better job interpreting rules? Anyway, I'm looking for a ruling or case play on this question. R1, one out, 3-2 count. B1 check swings, PU calls "Ball". F2 asks to appeal the check swing and throws to F4 who tags R1 TROTTING to 2nd. BU says "yes, he went" and PU calls B1 out. Is R1 out? or do we send him back to 1st because the call was reversed? My gut tells me to send him back to 1st, because we reversed a call, but I can't find anything to substantiate this. Does the fact that he wasn't stealing on the pitch play into this at all?

My answer is B. B1 made it safely to 2nd. So the OBS is nullified and since they both got tagged B1 is out as the following runner when they both occupy the same base. I see your point. But aren't we penalizing the offense for a defensive infraction? What if BR rounds 1st, is obstructed, falls down and is tagged out with R2 holding 2nd? Then we would award BR 2nd and move R2 to 3rd? It doesn't seem fair we would call him out for making it to 2nd in spite of the obstruction.

Just to clarify, In a situation where the ball is hit up the 1st base line, F1 or F2 fields it near the line, BR is running outside the running lane in fair territory. The fielder doesn't attempt a throw, there can be no violation. There has to be a throw to call a running lane violation, correct?

Thanks guys. I think you answered another question for me also, but let me see if I'm right... R2, 1 out. B1 hits a fly ball to CF. The ball is trapped. R2, thinking it was caught, holds 2nd base. B1, after touching 1st, is obstructed by F3. He continues to 2nd safely, only to find R2 still there. Defense tags both runners. My answer would be B1 as allowed to stay at 2nd, and R2 is moved to 3rd to complete the obstruction award. The multiple choice answers are as follows. a. R2 is out b. B1 is out c. Move R2 to 3rd d. B1 does have protection and should stay at 2nd e. Two of the above answers are correct So c & d are true, and "e" would be the correct answer?

Sometimes I'm guilty of over thinking. Thanks. That clears it up. SO, in the situation I described, if R1 ends up at 3rd, and B1 at 2nd, we can let the play stand, or at the end of playing action, award R1 home if we think he could have gotten there had there been no obstruction by F4?

I'm going through our states 2012 FED exam and I've come across something I can't find an answer to... The situation in the question is, R1, B1 hits an extra base hit. R1 is obstructed by F4 and falls down. B1 passes him, then realizes his error and slows down to let R1 pass him. When the play ends, R1 is on 3rd and B1 is on 2nd. My question is, 8-4-2m says runner is out when..... passes an unobstructed preceding runner before such runner is out (including awarded bases); What if the runner passes an obstructed runner? Is the ruling different? If it is, can someone point me to where it states this? If the runner is still out for passing, why bother putting the word unobstructed in the rule?

That's insane!! In all my years in and around the game, I don't think I've ever seen anyone lead off 3rd base in fair territory. Well, maybe once or twice for a pitch or two until a coach told him to move.....But I think that was a 13u game

For third, I point to myself ("I'm"), then point toward third base ("at third."). For staying home, I point to myself ("I'm"), then point down ("staying home.") You didn't ask, but for R1/R2 and less than two outs, PU covers third on a tag up. For the signal, I put my left hand in a fist and my right hand flat. Then I tap the palm of my right hand on the area of my first where the thumb and index finger are (similar to the "bopping them on the head" part of Little Bunny Foo Foo), then point to third. Edit: Found this http://www.umpire.or...ls/signals.html . Look at the very end. Thanks for the info and the link.

Please forgive my naiveté, but I was wondering what are considered the appropriate signals for the PU to give when he's covering third and when he's staying home? Most of the guys I've worked with we use the "horns" (thumb and pinky extended) for the "I've got R1 into 3rd" signal, and a simple point to the plate for "I'm staying home." From reading through this thread, I'm getting the feeling these aren't the most accepted signs. :question1:

If you have access to their site on Arbiter, the rules are very nicely done. It links to the different sections when it says "see <rule>," as well as a way to view case book plays related to the rule without having to go away from the rule. A great resource to those just learning the rules. Thanks for the info . Never knew this was there. Great feature linking the case plays to each rule.

What they want to make sure you understand here, is the penalty for a 4th charged conference in a seven inning game. 3-4-1 PENALTY: After three charged conferences in a seven inning game, or for any charged conference in excess of one in each extra inning, the pitcher shall be removed as pitcher for the duration of the game. From what I understand, if the team was not over the limit of charged conferences, the player can be removed as pitcher in the 6th inning, and come back and pitch the 7th. If a pitcher stays in the game and simply changes positions from F1 to anywhere else, he is allowed to return as pitcher as often as the coach would like, with the provision that he can only be removed as pitcher and return as pitcher only once per inning. (3-1-2)

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Yes. It's poor mechanics. ::' />

Taking off or putting on a jacket during a game must be avoided. So wearing a jersey under a jacket is unnecessary and generally unacceptable. And generally speaking, wearing a windbreaker behind the plate is becoming a thing of the past. Long-sleeve shirts in navy or black plus sufficient undershirt layering for the temperature is what is done---even with the base guy(s) wearing jackets. Also, a long-sleeve undershirt under a short-sleeve jersey is a sin. Chris said it best. It's unacceptable in a serious umpire. This is like the military, son. It's not supposed to make sense; just do it. Wow. Never knew this. Never even thought about it. I can't begin to count how many 9 or 10AM starts I've had that I started in my jacket and removed it after an inning or two. I guess this spring I'll do a few calisthenics at the car to warm up on those 55-60 degree mornings and leave the jacket home since I know by the 3rd or 4th inning it'll be 70-75 and sunny!

I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered the book. After reading these boards for a few months, it seems like a "must have". Yes, the price is pretty steep for my budget, but judging from the posts on these boards from people who's opinions I've come to respect, I'm sure I'll enjoy the book and learn a whole lot! Looking forward to it's arrival :D

Point taken. Maybe if I had the plate and was UIC I would have insisted. It was my first game there, was BU...I know- no excuse. Things will be different if I'm assigned a game on that field next year. Thanks guys.

haha..Should have refreshed before I found the casebook and typed my reply Seems we need a space to type ( b )

2011 FED casebook 8.4.1 Sit. B B1 squares to bunt and hits the pitch. The batted ball bounces off the plate and hits B1's (a) leg or , (B) bat a 2nd time while B1 is holding the bat in the batter's box (no foot is entirely outside the batter's box) Ruling- In (a) it is a foul ball. In (B) the ball is foul unless in the umpire's judgment, the ball was contacted intentionally, in which case the ball would be dead and B1 declared out. That seems to infer that if one foot is on the ground entirely outside the batter's box, he's considered out of the box.

I'm with Kyle here, 100%. Doesn't bother me at all, but when a coach remembers my name from the pre-game conference, I'm impressed. And yes..the better managers remember and use your name. I've never heard of the term coming from fans perceiving we "blew" a call. I doubt many coaches think this either. When I wear my red shirt, I'll inevitably have at least one coach say "well, I guess we can't call you Blue today". I'll always use this opportunity to politely say "well, you can call me Rich..I usually answer to that" :)

Yeah, basically one or 2 dinosaurs. I've called strikes from the bases on appealed checked swings with these guys and gotten the "evil glare". I laughed it off (on the inside), and apologized after the game the one time it was brought up to me. Just wanted to be sure I wasn't breaking some kind of "unwritten umpire code" :unsure:

I was in that situation, nothing varsity game, visiting coach getting killed. Batter swings and gets hit in the hands. PU calls foul, I know he smoked the call, I am cringing but didn't say anything. The coach starts in on the hands are part of the bat crap. The PU comes to me to discuss it. I explain it is a dead ball, swung strike and third strike. Coach had a meltdown. If guys are telling you to back them on anything, especially check swings, then they are old and using bad mechanics. Take what they say and take little to heart, most will be wrong. I've had a few games with these "old guys" who have pretty much told me pre-game to back them up on everything. Is there anything like "umpire etiquette" where me, being the new guy,( I've only been at this for 3 years now, and this was only my 2nd doing HS), agree and back him on everything? Or be the "rebel" and call what I see on something like a check swing when asked?

...They ask, you tell them the rule, and then they utter that one line that really makes my blood boil..."Are you sure?" :BD: