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Looks like a misprint. Our state test has a question with those answers, but the question is... F7 throws his glove and it touches a fair batted ball.
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Unless he's actively bleeding. haha..I edited my post at the same time you posted.
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This rule is 100% about safety. I don't think FED's intent is to punish players. I like your example BT. Hell, I'd let the kid change into a pair of sweats to play if no extra uniform pants were available. The rule's intent is to get the blood out of play, not the player...unless, of course, when he's still bleeding.
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Not sure what you mean Rich. The pivot foot can be in front of, or on TOP of the rubber. Where it can't be is outside the left and right edges of the rubber. (Maybe that's what you meant?). In that case, I prefer a nice, dirty pitcher's plate so that it's hard to see. That's exactly what I meant. FED says the entire pivot foot needs to be within the right and left edges of the rubber. OBR, as long as part of that pivot foot is in contact with the rubber, we're OK. I don't know about the condition of all the high school sub varsity fields in other areas, but I assure you, I've been on a few with holes in front of the rubber so bad, that if F1 tried to get his entire pivot foot within the right and left edges of the rubber, he'd surely break an ankle.
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Here's another one I was wondering if anyone strictly enforces. By strict interpretation, in the set position, FED wants F1's entire pivot foot in front of the rubber. Before starting his delivery, he shall stand with his entire non-pivot foot in front of a line extending through the front edge of the pitcher's plate and with his entire pivot foot in contact with or directly in front of the pitcher's plate.
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Been what way for years? I'm confused now. It's not a balk in FED but is in all other codes. Just crazy..I'm not sure about NCAA, but is FED is the only place you can't step and throw to a base from the windup position?
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6-1-5 is about F1 as a pitcher or an infielder when throwing to an occupied base. Nothing called a balk in the ruling. Just a one base award if the pitcher throws wild into DBT and didn't disengage. NFHS.arbitersports.com/Front/105401/Rules/Book?rulebookid=84a3fd7c-1173-4b83-8c68-de530b79c3b7'>6.1.5 SITUATION With R1 on third base and R2 on first base, F1 steps and feints to third and then steps and throws to first attempting to pick off R2. The throw goes into dead-ball territory. The offensive team's coach wants a balk to be called because the pitcher never threw the ball toward third. RULING: When the pitcher stepped off the pitching plate in his feint to third, he became an infielder. Hence, when his throw goes into dead-ball territory, all runners are awarded two bases. R1 gets home and R2 gets third. Had F1 stayed on the pitching plate during his feint to third and his throw to first, all runners would be awarded one base. R1 would get home and R2 would get second. This would not be a balk as F1 made a legal feint and a legal pickoff attempt with no prior motion to pitch.
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FED Case book NFHS.arbitersports.com/Front/105401/Rules/Book?rulebookid=84a3fd7c-1173-4b83-8c68-de530b79c3b7'>6.2.4 SITUATION C With R1 on third and R2 on first, F1 comes set. He then feints toward third, or he removes one hand from the ball and makes an arm motion toward third but does not step toward third. He follows with a throw to first base. RULING: This is a balk. F1 must step toward third base when feinting there. F1 may not feint to first base. He must step toward the base and throw. He might, while he is on the plate, step toward occupied third and feint a throw, and then turn to step toward first and throw there with or without disengaging the pitcher's plate. If F1 steps and feints to first, he must first disengage the pitcher's plate or he is guilty of a balk.
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My answer is B. B1 made it safely to 2nd. So the OBS is nullified and since they both got tagged B1 is out as the following runner when they both occupy the same base. Jax- I'm changing my mind. I believe you are correct. After reading 8-3-2 once again..... ... If the runner achieves the base he was attempting to acquire, then the obstruction is ignored.
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OP says FED. so yes, R1 can be at 3rd . gotta love FED :wacko:
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Wow. How'd I miss that case play? Sorry.
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2012 will be my 3rd season doing high school games. There's no denying I've got a lot to learn, and I certainly don't mind researching and looking up rules, case plays, etc., but this year's state test is testing my knowledge more than the previous 2 tests I've taken. I certainly don't want to look like I'm just posting questions here to get answers, I'd like to know if I'm missing something in the FED rule book or casebook, or do I just need to do a better job interpreting rules? Anyway, I'm looking for a ruling or case play on this question. R1, one out, 3-2 count. B1 check swings, PU calls "Ball". F2 asks to appeal the check swing and throws to F4 who tags R1 TROTTING to 2nd. BU says "yes, he went" and PU calls B1 out. Is R1 out? or do we send him back to 1st because the call was reversed? My gut tells me to send him back to 1st, because we reversed a call, but I can't find anything to substantiate this. Does the fact that he wasn't stealing on the pitch play into this at all?
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My answer is B. B1 made it safely to 2nd. So the OBS is nullified and since they both got tagged B1 is out as the following runner when they both occupy the same base. I see your point. But aren't we penalizing the offense for a defensive infraction? What if BR rounds 1st, is obstructed, falls down and is tagged out with R2 holding 2nd? Then we would award BR 2nd and move R2 to 3rd? It doesn't seem fair we would call him out for making it to 2nd in spite of the obstruction.
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Just to clarify, In a situation where the ball is hit up the 1st base line, F1 or F2 fields it near the line, BR is running outside the running lane in fair territory. The fielder doesn't attempt a throw, there can be no violation. There has to be a throw to call a running lane violation, correct?
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Thanks guys. I think you answered another question for me also, but let me see if I'm right... R2, 1 out. B1 hits a fly ball to CF. The ball is trapped. R2, thinking it was caught, holds 2nd base. B1, after touching 1st, is obstructed by F3. He continues to 2nd safely, only to find R2 still there. Defense tags both runners. My answer would be B1 as allowed to stay at 2nd, and R2 is moved to 3rd to complete the obstruction award. The multiple choice answers are as follows. a. R2 is out b. B1 is out c. Move R2 to 3rd d. B1 does have protection and should stay at 2nd e. Two of the above answers are correct So c & d are true, and "e" would be the correct answer?
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Sometimes I'm guilty of over thinking. Thanks. That clears it up. SO, in the situation I described, if R1 ends up at 3rd, and B1 at 2nd, we can let the play stand, or at the end of playing action, award R1 home if we think he could have gotten there had there been no obstruction by F4?
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I'm going through our states 2012 FED exam and I've come across something I can't find an answer to... The situation in the question is, R1, B1 hits an extra base hit. R1 is obstructed by F4 and falls down. B1 passes him, then realizes his error and slows down to let R1 pass him. When the play ends, R1 is on 3rd and B1 is on 2nd. My question is, 8-4-2m says runner is out when..... passes an unobstructed preceding runner before such runner is out (including awarded bases); What if the runner passes an obstructed runner? Is the ruling different? If it is, can someone point me to where it states this? If the runner is still out for passing, why bother putting the word unobstructed in the rule?
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That's insane!! In all my years in and around the game, I don't think I've ever seen anyone lead off 3rd base in fair territory. Well, maybe once or twice for a pitch or two until a coach told him to move.....But I think that was a 13u game
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For third, I point to myself ("I'm"), then point toward third base ("at third."). For staying home, I point to myself ("I'm"), then point down ("staying home.") You didn't ask, but for R1/R2 and less than two outs, PU covers third on a tag up. For the signal, I put my left hand in a fist and my right hand flat. Then I tap the palm of my right hand on the area of my first where the thumb and index finger are (similar to the "bopping them on the head" part of Little Bunny Foo Foo), then point to third. Edit: Found this http://www.umpire.or...ls/signals.html . Look at the very end. Thanks for the info and the link.
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Please forgive my naiveté, but I was wondering what are considered the appropriate signals for the PU to give when he's covering third and when he's staying home? Most of the guys I've worked with we use the "horns" (thumb and pinky extended) for the "I've got R1 into 3rd" signal, and a simple point to the plate for "I'm staying home." From reading through this thread, I'm getting the feeling these aren't the most accepted signs. :question1:
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<acronym title='High school rules, aka FED '>NFHS</acronym> Rules in .pdf
Richvee replied to boyinr's topic in High School
If you have access to their site on Arbiter, the rules are very nicely done. It links to the different sections when it says "see <rule>," as well as a way to view case book plays related to the rule without having to go away from the rule. A great resource to those just learning the rules. Thanks for the info . Never knew this was there. Great feature linking the case plays to each rule. -
What they want to make sure you understand here, is the penalty for a 4th charged conference in a seven inning game. 3-4-1 PENALTY: After three charged conferences in a seven inning game, or for any charged conference in excess of one in each extra inning, the pitcher shall be removed as pitcher for the duration of the game. From what I understand, if the team was not over the limit of charged conferences, the player can be removed as pitcher in the 6th inning, and come back and pitch the 7th. If a pitcher stays in the game and simply changes positions from F1 to anywhere else, he is allowed to return as pitcher as often as the coach would like, with the provision that he can only be removed as pitcher and return as pitcher only once per inning. (3-1-2)
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Yes. It's poor mechanics. ::' />
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Taking off or putting on a jacket during a game must be avoided. So wearing a jersey under a jacket is unnecessary and generally unacceptable. And generally speaking, wearing a windbreaker behind the plate is becoming a thing of the past. Long-sleeve shirts in navy or black plus sufficient undershirt layering for the temperature is what is done---even with the base guy(s) wearing jackets. Also, a long-sleeve undershirt under a short-sleeve jersey is a sin. Chris said it best. It's unacceptable in a serious umpire. This is like the military, son. It's not supposed to make sense; just do it. Wow. Never knew this. Never even thought about it. I can't begin to count how many 9 or 10AM starts I've had that I started in my jacket and removed it after an inning or two. I guess this spring I'll do a few calisthenics at the car to warm up on those 55-60 degree mornings and leave the jacket home since I know by the 3rd or 4th inning it'll be 70-75 and sunny!