Richvee

3 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

Isn't yelling a sign of endearment in New Jersey?

It's just the way we talk

As mentioned. A batter’s actions cannot cause a pitcher to balk. If a batter requests time late, as a HP umpire, I may say “nope” or “too late”. But certainly not point or making any hand gestures. For the record, NJ middle school is played under FED rules. Also consider this….on any given day on NJ there’s hundreds of varsity and sub varsity high school baseball games.

Then add in middle school contests. The pool of real good, well trained FED umpires thins out quickly after the varsity games are filled. (Actually, well before that, but I digress )……You get where I’m going here……

21 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

BTW have all you NCAA guys picked up on NCAA change to OBR and FED award of 1 base instead of "stealing on the pitch"?

Evidently not these two guys.....Or any other part of the rule. 

1 hour ago, jimurrayalterego said:

I'm having a Mother's Day martini, FYI, but normally, other than time plays, umpires don't score runs. We don't allow a legally scored run to be unscored by runner action but we would not say score that run. I think it would score until appealed.

But this is a time play. R3  crossed the plate before the appeal out on R1… but then R1 went back. 

37 minutes ago, noumpere said:

Not at all.  Don't know how you got that from the conversation.

I think it’s almost the same scenario. 
R3 leaves crack of the bat. So does R1. R3 crosses home, now the ball is caught. R3 retouches home and heads to back 3b while the throw comes  in and retires R1 to end the inning. R3, now in between home and 3b, trots to the dugout - the inning is over. How could we score that run?  When would we “declare” run scores?  The defense would never consider appealing seeing r3 between 3rd and home, but if the umpire claims”score the run “ now they would appeal. 🤷‍♂️

On 5/7/2025 at 10:55 PM, jimurrayalterego said:

@Richvee or other Garden State umps will be along tomorrow with the "rest of the story". 🙂

I haven’t heard “the rest of the story. This is south Jersey. A different world from us northern folk. The gossip usually doesn't travel this far…. Unless it’s state tournament related. 
.. No protests allowed in NJ. 
FWIW, I have foul ball. Hit in the box. But hey, at least he came up big and sold it. 👍😁

7 minutes ago, Velho said:

Yeah, I figured there was a reason (unless @The Man in Blue got that from the winners! 🤣)

Been there too. 

I was thinking the same thing. Welcome to northeast college baseball. 

5 hours ago, Velho said:

This is why LL teaches us to go through the winners dugout LOL

Unfortunately, way too often it’s not possible. 

30 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

I doubt that what happened was a sideways pitcher windup but it was bases loaded. So I'll ask the question. Was the pitcher a sideways pitcher who winds up from what looks like the set with a stutter step with the free foot. These pitchers take the rubber differently when pitching from the set or windup. Some take the rubber hands together with a stretch of the arms to get comfortable when going to wind up. That would be legal for any windup pitcher no matter what the orientation of his pivot foot with the rubber. You would not mistake such a pitcher who was going to pitch from the set because they address the rubber differently with hands apart while looking into the catcher for a sign. New umpires sometimes do not recognize the nuance of such pitchers and also do not recognize the runner configs where such a pitcher would change his delivery.

Edited to add. While my above treatise is worth reading it does not apply as I did not catch the OP as R1, R2 and assumed the event happened after the base hit.

R1/R2

I have one of these as my backup. If anyone is in the market,  it’s a great lightweight mask at a great price. 

Had it happening today. One great catcher catching breaking pitches at the knee/ hollow of the knee, outside corner, right behind the plate, body still, glove up, the other catcher shifting his body and pancaking every breaking ball behind the opposite batters box. Yeah, the bad catcher’s pitcher wasn’t hitting the spots quite as consistently, but let’s just say, if the good catcher was catching the opposing pitcher, there more than likely would have been a few more strike calls. 

yes 

3 hours ago, grayhawk said:

 

It's more about when the pitcher gets penalized. Not sure for pro, but in NCAA, there is one warning per pitcher (and a reset with runners on). A ball is added to the count for subsequent offenses by that pitcher.

I think I’ve added more balls to counts for this than time violations this year. 

26 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

IMO, a coach who is arguing against both safety and fair play is not long for this game.  

Or, just a jack wagon 

First off, this is a safety issue. At no level do I want the pitcher delivering the pitch when the batter is getting set in the box and not alert to the pitcher. 

There are rules in place in OBR and NCAA now, that require the batter to be alert to the pitcher before he begins a wind up, or begins to come set. Even FED, at the very least, requires pitchers to simulate taking a sign from the catcher before delivering.

Personally, I have adopted the NCAA rue of the pitcher must wait for the batter to be ready, and alert to the pitcher in the box, before the pitcher may begin coming set or starting his windup in all my games across all codes. I've only had one jackwagon coach tell me his pitcher can pitch the moment the batter steps in the box. I simply told him its a safety issue, and your batters will get the same courtesy. 

37 minutes ago, nth0911 said:

It's just a rec League, ball got into the dugout on the wild pitch. It wasn't thrown or pushed into the dugout.

Pitch off the catcher and into the dugout. Award 1B. All codes

2 minutes ago, beerguy55 said:

I get that whether it went into the dugout under the impetus of the pitch vs the ball came to rest and the catcher booted it into the dugout matter.

I don't get how the rule set matters.  Do NCAA/NFHS/OBR handle the latter differently?

The OP didn't mention if it got there because the batter kicked it there. Or stepped on it and it "squirted there. 

OBR/NCAA would have interference and batter out, FED would award 1B unless it was intentional by the batter. 

Yep. Rule set, and how it got there matter. 

So now it’s obvious my sarcasm detector wasn’t working listening to the jack wagon on the Texas/Texas A&M game. 

6 hours ago, Replacematt said:

How many times have you seen the defense decide they want to confer as a result of the offense doing so?

I haven't. I was watching Texas/Texas A&M Saturday, and they were talking about the Friday night LSU/Tenn game. 

Not that I put any faith in announcers, one was saying "I learned something last night.. I learned the defensive coach can go talk to his pitcher during an offensive conference, but the offensive coach can't talk to the runners during a defensive conference". 

Evidently Vitello did it at some point Friday and it created a stir. I  have no details. 

32 minutes ago, Replacematt said:

No. Defensive conferences are always charged.

Don’t you think it’s odd it’s written specifically addressing rules during a defensive conference?  Why wouldn’t it be worded more like “if a team takes a charged conference , in order for the opposing team to leave their positions and converse. they would also need to request a charged conference “. 

I believe this came up on the LSU/Tenn. game Friday night, but I didn’t see it, so I’m not sure what the outcome was. 
 

6-5-f(4)— Offensive conferences shall not be charged during a defensive team’s timeout for a pitching change. Any runners who leave their positions during the pitching change must must return to their bases prior to the last warmup pitch so play is not delayed or risk being charged with an offensive conference.  Batters or baserunners may not leave their positions during a charged defense conference unless they also request an offensive charged conference. 
 

Is the opposite true?  If a team requests an offensive conference,  can a coach and or position player talk to the pitcher without being charged a defensive conference?  

13 hours ago, orangebird said:

Beside the point but what other sport is using those markings in the infield?

Perhaps flag football?