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30 minutes ago, LMSANS said:

If they are thrown, yes.

Isn't there a rule, LL maybe, if a pitch is thrown 4 balls will go against the total?  I can be totally mistaken . 

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If the pitcher throws four pitches outside the strike zone to intentionally walk a batter those pitches count towards the pitch count.  Quite often the batter will swing at one or two of such pitches just to increase the pitch count!

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9 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

Just to be clear - the announced no pitch thrown IW adds 4 to the pitcher's pitch count.

 

to be more clear, are you saying that if the coach says to his pitcher and catcher, ... "hey Jimmy, walk him, put him on"  and without anything happening to the batter, he drops the bat and goes to first, that counts for 4 pitches on the pitcher?

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2018 Little League rule

6.08(a) - The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided said runner advances to and touches first base) when –

(2) Baseball: Minor/Major Division: prior to a pitch being thrown, the defense elects to “Intentionally Walk” the batter by announcing such decision to the plate umpire.

NOTE 2: The ball is dead and no other runners may advance unless forced by the batter’s award. Four (4) pitches will be added to the pitch count.

 

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2 minutes ago, Senor Azul said:

2018 Little League rule

6.08(a) - The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided said runner advances to and touches first base) when –

(2) Baseball: Minor/Major Division: prior to a pitch being thrown, the defense elects to “Intentionally Walk” the batter by announcing such decision to the plate umpire.

NOTE 2: The ball is dead and no other runners may advance unless forced by the batter’s award. Four (4) pitches will be added to the pitch count.

 

that's ridiculous ....

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2 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

to be more clear, are you saying that if the coach says to his pitcher and catcher, ... "hey Jimmy, walk him, put him on"  and without anything happening to the batter, he drops the bat and goes to first, that counts for 4 pitches on the pitcher?

Yes.  Has to happen before a pitch to the batter though.

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2 hours ago, umpstu said:

Makes all the sense in the world, right guys?

It's like this:

ACE is at 83 pitches with Bomber and  Hulk is coming up. Milquetoast follows hulk.

In "must pitch" you'd use up your pitches walking Bomber and a reliever would have to pitch to Hulk.

With "wave them to first" you could bypass Bomber and Hulk and have ACE pitch to Milquetoast UNLESS you count the IW as the four pitches you'd normally expend. Which happened before LL added the "count as 4" to the rule.

Avoids the gamesmanship.

Make sense now?  

 

 

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7 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

It's like this:

ACE is at 83 pitches with Bomber and  Hulk is coming up. Milquetoast follows hulk.

In "must pitch" you'd use up your pitches walking Bomber and a reliever would have to pitch to Hulk.

With "wave them to first" you could bypass Bomber and Hulk and have ACE pitch to Milquetoast UNLESS you count the IW as the four pitches you'd normally expend. Which happened before LL added the "count as 4" to the rule.

Avoids the gamesmanship.

Make sense now? 

Sure.  ExCEPT.....  the alleged point of a pitch count is to save young kid's arms.  Sure, counting pitches that never happened DOES save some wear, but considered the counts have been parsed down a fine point, to get "perfect" numbers, why would you take yet more pitches away from a kid?  Especially when teams seem to have trouble having enough arms as it is?

Also, it might make coaches learn how to set up a batting order better.  You can't completely hide Milquetoast - never liked that kid, by the way - but you don't set up situations where RBIs go to die, either.

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37 minutes ago, HokieUmp said:

Sure.  ExCEPT.....  the alleged point of a pitch count is to save young kid's arms.  Sure, counting pitches that never happened DOES save some wear, but considered the counts have been parsed down a fine point, to get "perfect" numbers, why would you take yet more pitches away from a kid?  Especially when teams seem to have trouble having enough arms as it is?

Also, it might make coaches learn how to set up a batting order better.  You can't completely hide Milquetoast - never liked that kid, by the way - but you don't set up situations where RBIs go to die, either.

So basically you missed the point.

And Milquetoast has to be in the lineup somewhere - and you can't control the other pitcher's pitch count to know when he's going to come up..

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Little League rule 2

A PITCH is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. Little League (Major)/ Minor League Exception: For the purpose of maintaining a pitch count, an illegal pitch shall count as one pitch; even if a pitch is not actually thrown.

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14 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

It's like this:

ACE is at 83 pitches with Bomber and  Hulk is coming up. Milquetoast follows hulk.

In "must pitch" you'd use up your pitches walking Bomber and a reliever would have to pitch to Hulk.

With "wave them to first" you could bypass Bomber and Hulk and have ACE pitch to Milquetoast UNLESS you count the IW as the four pitches you'd normally expend. Which happened before LL added the "count as 4" to the rule.

Avoids the gamesmanship.

Make sense now?  

 

 

yes and no, but ........ yes, the gamesmanship aspect is something I never thought about as LL must bat everyone, I get it

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On 5/2/2019 at 11:44 PM, Rich Ives said:

So basically you missed the point.

No, I GET the point - people don't want the stronger sticks getting passed over.  That's fine.  But the point I'm making, and seeing, is more an example of "rules being cynically manipulated by adults, yet under the guise of being 'for the kids'."

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